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Here's some S1 Vlog test footage I just shot on the ninja v, pro res hq, Shot with Zeiss 50mm zf.1 Sharpening at 0 noise reduction at 0 Stills graded with FilmConvert fuji eterna https://www.dropbox.com/s/can0ot1k98ogd7a/NINJAV_S001_S001_T066.MOV?dl=0

Enjoy!

It's not about 8K It's about all the other stuff... 2015 video specs, crap codec, crap colour, confusing menus, no 4K/60, 30p max, no 240fps, 120fps max in 1080p, no in-between resolution for 120fps despite faster sensor technology, I mean why would you want to upgrade to something which is basically the same as a 2 year old A7R III for hybrid stills/video, now that much better options exist? For 61 megapixels alone?

Orig. Pocket with orig.Nikon battery = 50min-60min. If i imagine BMPCC4K with NP970, i'm glad i have a real POCKET! ? with 2x stabilized lens and mic, and still in the palm of your hand...

The directors of Game of Thrones season 8 ? ??

You and every c100, c300, 5D, Blackmagic operator out there. Clearly you/me are doing something wrong since we manage to get good results

They just changed their testing software, hardware about a year ago. So all the "older" tests are outdated. Everything they have re tested seems to have gone down a stop or more. But the Arri seems to still be at the top of the pile, so it can't be too far off. They are calling it around 14 stops and that is what Arri claims they are. So I think all the camera companies other than Arri have been pulling our leg on the real truth. I think BMD has been pretty honest also over the years though.

I can think of a couple of good films made without those things.

What the fuck is the point of 2400 x 100? ?

Why can't they give us HDMI out 10 bit.... Whatever though, its a nice hybrid camera if you need high MP stills.

I don't know.... I have a feeling that Sony is taking cues from Canon... who seems to be taking cues from Pentax.

Its a bye bye sony, 3500$ camera and NO 10bit or 4K 60P? Fail, the biggest flop of 2019... Yes monster still camera but the f@ck Sony even dares to say it is also for PRO video shooters...

Hands up... Who exposes the main subject like this? Answer: NOBODY!

Yeah everyone is saying A7r4, Sony the king of releasing products nobody is asking for. I.e. A6400, RX0 mk2, FS5mkii, RX100mk6 ?

Yes, Samyang is also sold by resellers as Rokinon, Bower and Walimex.

The rich colors of Sigma are down to the Foveon sensor that captures full color on every pixel as opposed to 'bayer' sensors that only capture one color per pixel and then interpolates the color through processing. One drawback of the Foveon sensor is poor lowlight performance. The other - more significant in my eyes at least - drawback is post editing. You have to use Sigma software and you can see the problem at the 10 minute mark of this video.... But the FP will be almost useless as a stills camera. Without a mechanical shutter, you will get rolling shutter rather like using a modern mirrorless in silent mode (unless it is a Sony A9.) Which means shot can come out like this.... even without subject movement.....

Very interesting explanation. I didn't have idea of the proximity of this technology. Cameras so small... You can save lots of money not wasting resources with expensive cameras. We can use according to our needs. It isn't necessary to buy a Ferrari when I only need driving a car. A car that serves my needs. Great honest forum with rich discussions like these. I am sick of politically correct and useless teasers. Deceptive teasers. Thank you for truth and so informative speech. Equipment costs money. Art is also knowing how to spend better the resources of filmmaking. Important knowledge.

I’ve been sold now on Blackmagic’s new RAW since updating firmware on my Pocket 4K. It’s Just. So. Good. Smoother to edit than h.264 if I’m honest. I’m not sure how ProRes RAW intends to survive. It has a huge legacy behind it, but banking on that would ignore an industry that is not precious with such notions. Atoms external recording has always been an odd duck in my mind. Either you’re on a shoot that can afford a true cinema camera, or you’re not. Why spend thousands on a monitor to “sort of” turn your hybrid camera into a slightly better version of itself just doesn’t make sense. I also simply refuse to be saddled to a monitor for recording purposes. It essentially gets added to the price of the camera, IMO, and makes upgrading down the road extra painful. With available drive tech, NONE of this faffing about should be at all necessary. Between Blackmagic and Sigma, it looks like there might finally be other companies willing to call these bluffs. Sony and Panny are now so concerned with their 1V1 cat-and-mouse, that they’re CLEARLY pulling punches in case they need them later. If they keep it up, a third party is going to catch them out. Blackmagic has a 4K Raw-To-SSD dual native ISO camera for essentially $1K. The Sigma fp looks like it MIGHT be a similar thing, but fullframe (probably with a price bump to match)... Sony and Panny need to pull their heads out of the sand and let out all the stops, or risk being overtaken by fresh blood. The Nikon could absolutely kill if it recorded Raw internally in some form. Fullframe 4K Raw is obviously well within the technical abilities of a sub-$4K camera body, and I think that’s the looming frustration over all of these cameras. Nobody wants to be first for fear of immediately being one-upped. My money would be on Panasonic’s S1H as most likely contender, but the Sigma might firm up some hefty specs and take everyone by surprise. I was hoping on ZCam, but good gravy those price tags go WAY too high for what they are IMO. Blackmagic SHOULD slap a hefty heatsink into a fullframe “BlackMagic FannypackCinemaCamera4K,” sell it for $2300, and take home everyone’s money... or join L-mount alliance with an olive branch of the BMRAW codec in-camera for all involved. Panny X BMRAW would likely cripple Sony, Nikon, Atmos and ProRes Raw in one fell swoop... leaving only Canon limping along on its dual pixel autofocus. Come on everyone else! If Samsung could match Canon’s AF tech several years ago, y’all can surely do it by 2020.

The point of that is not a mere comparison per se... hey guys, pay attention to read between the lines, s'il vous plaît? : ) There are different and productive understanding(s), communication and multiple meanings beyond your native English! Let alone a strict geek approach standpoint... LOL ; ) Far away to be that. Things should never be seen in stricto sensu. Or facts risk to be distorted in the end of the road. The whole point is: 1) the level the video technology arrived today and should fairly amaze everyone of us; 2) everything is about the potential of the gear you pick. There's little sense to choose a medium format camera to shoot wide shots going along deep DOF... Horses for courses. Then, we can properly say apples to oranges. Other than that, it is reducing the substance of the whole matter and discussion here. We're not comparing devices but technology progress and its use. Moreover, if they don't allow you to use a photo camera, this can even end in a more dramatic equation towards such topic. There is a thread already open crossing the subject BTW: ; -)

I've got one and I have to say its pretty nice. I don't have a fancy phone so it acts in lieu of that for holiday stuff and although the video is the main story, the quality of the stills are actually quite good. One complaint I have with it is that it seems to have a habit of reverting its settings out of the Pro mode which is a pain in the arse. I never use it with a phone so maybe that has something to do with it in terms of sync or something but its intermittent. I've just got some magnetic ND filters for it as it definitely becomes a bit too camcordery in bright light. The hyperlapse stuff is fun and the stabilisation is good in terms of being a tripod substitute and some slider type moves but walking with it is definitely going to give you some bumping unless you are disciplined in doing the silly walk. As I use it on holiday, the fact I'm wearing shorts is enough to make me look ridiculous without doing that as well. It struggles a lot in quite low light of course but these grabs are from footage I did in less than broad light and its does an alright enough job for what I'm using it for, especially considering the convenience factor and the tricks it can do. 1

The AF on the EOS R is excellent. And in video there is none of micro-hunting nonsense that the Sonys exhibit. As for ergos, menus overall usability most anything trumps Sony. Sony might make the sensors that lot of manufacturers use. But in almost all cases, the outside manufacturers do a better job of implementing those sensors than does Sony. No doubt the next Canon flagship will come with a hefty price tag. But those canon flagships are built like tanks and are super easy to shoot with. They make getting great shots so easy it's almost like cheating. I'm not saying you can't get great shots with a Sony, but the Canons definitely have some mojo.

Yes this is a photo camera and not a video oriented camera clearly. With 60mp + A9 ai enhanced auto focus, nearly 6K evf resolution, 10 fps, and 15 stops of dynamic range. Without a doubt this is the best camera on the market for stills photography all around. I don't think the Nikon Z9 will have nearly as good autofocus, and even if canon were to pull something off with specs like this it would be over $10,000 cause "Canon Tax".

Sure, Its a great camera. Plus points, footage looks very organic with vlog. 10 Bit is so nice for grading. Dynamic range is awesome Ibis is awesome Autofocus Is good enough for stills for me For filming I use mostly manual lenses. And I love the 96 megapixel pixel shift mode, those shots are so clean, no noise. There are a only few things I miss compared to my Canon 5d3 with raw. 1- On the canon I could crank up the sharpness to the max for in camera for monitoring only, and because it was raw the sharpening is not baked in the footage. I wish Panasonic will add this to firmware. ( Edge sharping for preview only ) 2. I cannot zoom into the footage while recording, only before pressing record can I zoom in. Again firmware request 3. There is no record trigger for the Ninja. also firmware request Besides those points I love the camera. I'm in the Netherlands, they send it to me after I send in my invoice last week. very fast turnaround. ( and yes it was free, thank you Panasonic)

As long as they say how they are measuring, changing the method is more confusing than inaccurate. I don't know of any other site that has nearly as extensive a list of "objective" DR measurements for video mode (and I say "objective" with quotes since we are trying to verify to what extent they are accurate). It would be great if we had a couple other sources to compare against. I appreciate it Taking down the old figures is a good thing. Pushing forward with inconsistent, uncontrolled tests would have been the bigger mistake. Downsampling increases SNR. That's what they are measuring: the contrast ration between signal clipping in whites, and SNR = 2 in the shadows. So while you can argue that SNR isn't a "true measure" of dynamic range, it's what C5D decided to document. Downsampling and noise reduction could both give falsely high ratings using C5D's method (depending on how you look at it), which is something you have to keep in mind for sure. But both would come at the expense of resolution and detail, which is something we can judge from other tests. Again, it would be nice if more people did lab tests, maybe even measuring in different ways, so we could compare results.

I agree.

Having bought and sold quite a few different Sony’s in my life, I’m no longer tempted by their specs. Menus and ergonomics need radical improvement before I’d be tempted again.

Well as of now we don't know enough about the S1H to jump ship, and it sure won't be as cheap as a Z6. I am doubtful the S1 will ever get Raw. Probably reserved for the S1H which I am guessing is a 4000 Dollar camera. Probably going to be worth it if you have the money.

Who puts test charts in their movie? It's designed to show the malleability of information at low IRE values, which is useful data.

So let's get this straight. They spent millions developing a sensor which shoots 9K 24p and 8K 60p but didn't bother implementing either in any end-product?!

Not surprising for a photo-centric camera. Not sure of all the 8k talk. Very unlikely that will happen in an A7 soon. No one wants it or needs it, or can barely edit it. I think the A7SIII will come this fall with 4k60 (8bit), higher MP. Up to 4k30 10bit external. That kinda thing. The one thing they have going for these models is the video AF. Incredible. Everything else is beaten by Panasonic. Just need Panasonic to sort out that grey area. It’s the only missing thing now, with eND. Nonetheless, you’ll be able to shoot great stuff on the A7RIV, no doubt.

Sony's image sensor monopoly is very dangerous. If I were any government with half a brain, I'd be looking at how dominant they are in that market. At the same time it's up to the competition to step it up. Too many companies, very respectful and good ones, just seem to find it easier to buy a Sony sensor rather than develop their own. They should ask themselves what might happen if over night, Sony suddenly decides to downgrade all the customer parts and reserve much better sensors only for themselves. This is unlikely to happen, but if other companies don't develop their own sensors, how are they supposed to leap-frog Sony in image quality? Samsung, Fuji and Panasonic are trying but Sony still providing manufacturing for their products as well... even Samsung's! (Smartphone sensors).

@Andrew Reid this thread's title is clearly wrong. Obviously there will be no A7S3. Sony apparently dumped it as any meaningful upgrades would have threatened their cinema line.

Focus by wire doesn't have to suck, if only they got the programming right. EF lenses don't have hard stops either. The mechanical feel is very good in the clutch-mode Olympus lenses.

Not me! I will resist 8K for as long as humanely possible! ?

Well we don't need to stay patient and wait 4 years for Sony. We have the S1... S1H. We have Fuji X-T3... X-T30 even cheaper. Nikon Z6 bargain. Plenty of alternatives now compared to when the GH5 / A7S II were only game in town. Not to mention the Blackmagic Pocket 4K

Great it's here... the camera no one asked for and no one actually needed, so not a fuk was given.

For anyone to think this would be an 8k camera was fooling themselves. It's not that easy to do, especially in DSLR-style bodies. Even Panasonic has announced no 8k for 2020. Look at the size of Panasonic's S1H and the use of a heat exhaust system. And that's just 6k!

Funny that Sony Alpha Rumors got leaked a fake slide from one of their most trusted sources!! What's all that about? Hadn't they better give us the 7S3 first??

My thoughts. It's a snore fest of committee led numbers at expense of real, bold creative design decisions. https://www.eoshd.com/2019/07/sony-a7r-iv-no-8k-no-10bit-no-nd-no-point/

Fly by wire with no manual control, just like a lot of others. Only Olympus and Panasonic have the manual clutch thing. And now Nikon, and Canon have the ring on their Z and R lenses so that is a plus for video. You can't do shit with the older fly by wire lenses. No way to repeat anything, No precision. But all those EF lenses are from a different Era where video was a total afterthought.

the best documentary shots I do when my camera can't be seen.

I don't get 50-60 minutes on my pocket.

One thing I don't get is the whole Crimson Cult suing anyone that dares tread on raw recording when there are a number of cinema cameras that record raw. They can patent Cult-Code as a proprietary format, but anyone using Prores or Braw would be free to run wild, much like the ARW, CR2, NEF and so on for stills. Unless I'm not seeing the whole picture in terms of what the Crimson Cult can actually do to stop anyone from using the above or Cdng. I'd be frustrated if I owned the Z6 too, but these vague "coming at some point later this year" announcements have become the norm. Chris

That benchmark is only testing continuous 14bit RAW stills write speed. XQD can go higher than 240MB/s. Regardless, that rate is still fast enough for 4K RAW even without ProRes RAW's compression. Z6 also now supports CFexpress media. I'm going from my own experience not American market. Regardless I see at B&H the Z7 body alone is now reduced by $646 which is a lot. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1431737-REG/nikon_z7_mirrorless_digital_camera.html I bought my Z6 for 2800 euros inc. 24-70mm. That's a terrible deal compared to what is now on offer in Europe and UK with all the Nikon marketing rebates and cash back. Also from grey market stores you can now get the Z6 body only for £1400. The 50mm F1.8 on Amazon in Germany was 369 last month, down from 699 euros. This was just a press release to coincide with NAB in April. You picked that out, but missed all the earlier ones. Atomos announcement of ProRes RAW with Z6 was made much earlier at CES January is 6 months ago. Knowledge is a virtue.

@Andrew Reid, some little observations: The write speed on the Z6 on the card is 240 MB/sec max and not 500 MB/sec as you imply: https://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/nikon-z6/fastest-xqd-cards/ The Z6 camera is now listed at BH at $1,796.95 instead or the $1,996.95 original price: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1431706-REG/nikon_1595_z6_mirrorless_digital_camera.html?sts=pi&pim=Y I see no 30-40% reduction of the original price. The lenses cost the same as on launch day: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1431709-REG/nikon_20081_nikkor_z_35mm_f_1_8.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1431708-REG/nikon_20072_nikkor_z_24_70mm_f_4.html Nikon announced in April 4 2019 that we shall see eye AF in one firmware update (we got that in May) and the external RAW recording later in the year: https://www.nikonusa.com/en/about-nikon/press-room/press-release/jp1hlujr/Nikon-Brings-Powerful-Cinematic-Solutions-to-NAB®-2019-With-Z-Series-Cameras-and-MRMC-Broadcast-Automation-.html That's just 3+ months ago (not 6 months as you have written); patience is a virtue.

For wide shot videos... To invariably depend on the shooting style, of course : ) The circumstances under which exemptions can be granted are more a pure shooter skills based game, not as wide as we'd like to see but not as limited as many still tend to believe to be (E : -)

Whoever shot those two pieces will be wetting themselves in anticipation of the Sigma FP letting him plaster the Teal and Orange on at source.

...and here's a similar version, also teal & orange made, but shot on a much more affordable Osmo Pocket for the same video use:

Not necessarily.... That's camera #1. I'm still yet to shoot with camera #2. Stay tuned.

What about them? If you reduce or remove a lens coating, you decrease the light transmission that the lens is capable of. How much by, will be determined by the specifics of the glass and coatings in question. Uncoated Superspeeds will have less transmission than the original coated versions. That’s just physics Are rental houses documenting the transmission loss and adding additional markings to the few lenses they’ve had de-coated? Probably not in most cases. But that doesn’t change the fact that those lenses are losing some degree of transmissiveness.