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I know we’re not supposed to talk about action cams, but this action cam is not! Why is no one talking about the Mission 1 Pro ILS? This thing looks so good. Have I bought into the YouTube shill hype? I just sold another camera and a couple of lenses to get it. Is anyone else going to pull the trigger on one?

Love your thread and your posts! @John Matthews This camera looks exciting. I hope they get rid of the loud beep you have mentioned. The video above is awesome. Cinema verité style with both cameras. No endless blindness with dull gimbal hopping but framing and images to enjoy. No Matti Hoppola or Geraldo Undunino violet led backlit technews basements. I will need to read more about the ils if it allows an external evf, if hdmi is micro or mini. Thanks for sharing your findings and for the video above.

I think this is more "normal" footage that you can shoot with this camera. I share this guys opinion on this release:

the mission 1 ils seems to be more rare than a unicorn or hens teeth here in aus. i would buy 1 in a heartbeat. as i have the mission 1 pro already. I have tried to buy from gopro here in aus however the sale, for want of a better word is (blocked) its not falling over because off insufficient funds, something else stops it. i could pay cash for an alexa or high speed phantom if i desired, so i know i'm not the problem. b&h photo wont ship it to aus. thirdly, pro av one listed as one of the few available resellers for gopro here in aus called me back today after i made a request on their webpage. basically, their middleman who gets cameras for them, have no idea when one will be available. Their not even taking orders for when they do become available. His advice was to be very careful chasing an ils as he feels there are some odd things happening. He did also ask a bunch of questions whether i had m43 lenses already and other things, once i had satisfied his curiosity he was quite happy to discuss the ils. I suspect he wanted to make sure it wasnt a rushed purchase and i had some idea of what i was getting myself into. Thats kind of nice when most are just chasing a sale. congrats to anyone who does manage to get hold of one. Not sure if it because of gopro got sold or something else but it looks like it will be awhile before one falls into my hands.

I'm expecting some of this older Chinese glass to not be up to the crazy sharpness of the newer glass. For wide lenses, it's rather tricky with this camera. Sure, you could get the Laowa 6 or 7.5mm, but at that point, you might as well get another GoPro Mission 1 Pro, offering a second setup that is waterproof, etc. That's why I'm going more for the cheap stuff. I'll see this weekend if I can live with the softness of the 17mm f/1.4. Personally, I don't need the 1.4 unless in a pinch, but I'm secretly hoping that this lens can decently resolve 4k at 1.4 in the middle sweet spot of the lens. Anyway, I already have the S9 with the Laowa 28mm f/1.2 (my favorite lens of all-time). Two days ago, I was able to film a hedgehog eating at f/1.2 and 12000 ISO- the footage was so clean. Will do this weekend. Super-busy right now with teaching high-schoolers English though. :-) I'm really stoked about having smaller setups. Panasonic used to give us that in the past, but I think they've moved on; then they'll realize that had it right to begin with but it's too late (always late to the party). The whole setup with the 10, 17, and 25 with the body will be about 750g- that matters, especially considering the frame rates, codecs, and battery life.

The killer for me was no electronic connectors to the mount. To me, it kinda cuts the versatility. Being able to throw something like the 14mm 2.5 Panny lens on it to get a super compact camera, for instance, would've been pretty cool.

And… …selling it. It’s been a decent stills experience but less so video. From the stills perspective, it takes nice pics but back to the same old dilemma I always have and that is the best camera I have with me at all times is always going to be my phone and it’s a PITA to carry 2 devices. On the video side if things, it worked well enough on the gimbal but operating the gimbal as a one man band hybrid shooter is as much a PITA as that ever was so selling the RS4 mini also and replacing both, ie the gimbal and the L10 with a Pocket 4P. Also, in the static role, overheated in literally no time in the type of environment I typically work in and at not much difference in size to an S9 with a small lens, which despite not having a fan, is surprisingly durable. More so than my S1Rii’s I *think*. I have not tested the latter but as my S1Rii’s have overheated in a static role multiple times and my S9 never has… Anyway, L10, I wanted to really like it, but it’s not cutting it for work purposes (never really expected it to as than as D cam at best) and can’t really be bothered as an EDC and with hindsight I shouldn’t have bothered, but hey, we sometimes need to try to find stuff out. Anyone want to buy a lightly used L10 in the UK?!

That’s so awesome. Amazing to see how far ML has pushed the life of these cameras.

That's really cool! Wish someone would update the 5D3 with that UI! I see on the GitHub, it says stable build. How stable is it? The only time I ever had an issue with my 5D3 was when I ran the experimental 4K builds or the compressed MLVs. The last nightly build I used worked just as well as any camera I ever purchased.

I agree. I had an EOS-M when it was first hacked, sold it, and then broke my own rule and bought it again when Crop Mood hit. Now I have two of them: one built up, and one bare bones. And the developers are improving it all the time -- especially lately. Have you checked out Amit's new builds? They are based on Bilal/Danne's last release so they are seemingly just as stable, if not a little more-so. But the new UI is great, and he seems to be unlocking a new feature every day!

Canon EOS-M with Magic Lantern in 1:1 mode. These are the resolutions currently available: 3072 × 1308 2880 × 1226 2560 × 1440 2520 × 1080 2160 × 1620 (doesn't work with a monitor plugged in) 1920 × 1280 Yes, there's a major crop. And yes, it is possible to overload the buffer with the 3K and 2.8K modes when shooting 12-bit. And rolling shutter is pretty terrible. But it's a digital 16mm camera with 1:1 readout that shoots raw. Practically no moire or aliasing. And a beautiful image (one of my favorites right now, bar none). Plus, one developer has been making major updates to the UI and simplifying the menus in the past 2-3 weeks. It's like a whole new camera.

I may be up for an 8bit challenge! Can I use the 8bit cDNG from the FP? 🤪

I only ever pay attention to what is visible when I apply my entire image pipeline, so I didn't know offhand, but I just shot some test clips and viewing them straight out of camera I don't really see aliasing. I do see some artefacts in the 4x mode that are hard to describe, a bit of noise (and perhaps some processing artefacts on the noise?) but definitely not aliasing, even when I shot hard edges and rotated the camera slowly to try and reveal any aliasing. The 4x mode is soft, obviously because it's sampling a small area of the sensor and then upscaling it to 4K, so maybe that smooths over things perhaps. I could do a 8-bit challenge... maybe we should make it interesting and limit the entries to 720p or something just to add a spin. I'd be tempted to enter the Charmera. To say that it's 8-bit is perhaps the understatement of the year!

The one thing I have not tried is the e stab, but straight out of the box with zero set up other than a quick balance, on the RS4 mini with the optional tracking module, it worked superbly. Not even close to anything like overheating, but then so far, I have only really been shooting stills with it. Start up time must be fine as I have not noticed anything other than it takes a second or so for the zoom to find it’s last setting, either; 28, 50 or 75mm as I have it set. Battery life excellent. I just came back from a week long trip to Scotland and shot well over 1000 frames and battery still showing 2 bars.