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Seriously, look at the ridiculousness of this. The JJC LCD hood fits perfectly on my S9. The LCD viewfinder is something I purchased with a used GH2 about 5 years ago. It fits perfectly on the ILS and doesn't really require anything else. That said, I find the LCD bright enough for daytime use. The viewfinder is really the only thing that would really help for focus. Yes. You can set it to one color or it dynamically decides a color (never seen that before). You'll need to have it on sensitive for it to mean much. I think there might be a steep learning curve if you're not used to manual focus though. I often prefer it. It slows me down and gives me something to do other than being intentional on framing.

After looking and foraging my various drawers in the house, I was able to find 3 Bell & Howell lenses from my grandfather: 0.7 inch, 1 inch, and 4 inch lenses. This was standard war-time military issue for war journalists. I also found 3 plastic Lomography lenses: I have ordered some inexpensive Chinese lenses too: 7Artisans 10mm f/3.5, TTartisan 17mmf/1.4, and TTartisan 25mm f2- a holy trinity for about 350 euros. From what I've heard, these lenses all suffer from poor corner performance; however, I'm throwing away 45% of that APS-C image anyway and only keeping the sharpest part. I figure those will be a perfect size too with the total kit under 1kg. I considered the Laowa cine lenses, but decided that they were simply too pricey for the concept of this kit. I'm bummed about not being able to use my AF M43 glass, but I love the limitations of straight up manual focus. I'll be shooting a lot with the 17mm this weekend.

The things that impress me most about this camera are the frame rates and processing. In addition, it’s so damn small and light. I purchased it, and it’ll be here tomorrow. I’ve seen both super positive and super negative opinions about it, but it really does feel like a new category. I have a few assumptions about it, though: I think it will be a stellar performer when it comes to moiré and rolling shutter. It’s also going to be pricey to get wide, sharp lenses for it. That’s why I plan on using it with my S9. I feel like they could complement each other well. I’ll definitely be playing around with it over the next few days.

Thinking of it as a Super-16 FILM camera represents an incredible opportunity when combined with the high-resolution sensor - zooming in post. My experiments with emulating S16 film showed that even a moderate amount of blur applied in post hides a huge amount of detail in the image. This means you can crop into the source image significantly and the blur will hide it. For example: If you were to put a 12mm lens on it, then you'd get a ~35mm FOV at 6K, which you then blur. If you were to put a 12mm lens on it, then crop 2x you'd get a ~70mm FOV at 3K, which you then blur and the blur hides the zoom in post. If you were to put a 12mm lens on it, then crop 3x you'd get a ~100mm FOV at 2K, which you then blur and the blur hides the zoom in post. Depending on how much blur you applied (if you were going for a vintage 16mm look or a more modern 16mm stock emulation) I suspect you could zoom up to 4-6x in post before the digital nasties started being visible through the emulation. I don't know what kind of digital zoom the camera offers, but if it allows it then you could frame in-camera and not be throwing away bitrate when you crop in post. This gives two advantages: 1) It turns any prime into a zoom, perhaps even a 4-5x zoom - much more than the 2-3x fast zooms like 18-35 etc 2) if you crop in post then you can apply additional stabilisation, making it feel a lot larger than the tiny camera it is I suspect that mostly this advice will fall on deaf ears, as people are drastically afraid of softening their images, like they'll be punished in the afterlife for it. When I saw Goodfellas in the cinema on 35mm film projection, it looked like somewhere between 720p and SD - and that was a 35mm feature film!! The amount of blur to accurately reproduce even a semi-ballpark 16mm film emulation is beyond most modern thinking, but if you can wrap your head around the concept then the ILS can become a drastically useful camera.

I know we’re not supposed to talk about action cams, but this action cam is not! Why is no one talking about the Mission 1 Pro ILS? This thing looks so good. Have I bought into the YouTube shill hype? I just sold another camera and a couple of lenses to get it. Is anyone else going to pull the trigger on one?

I was only able to muster a few shots today. I'm actually not sure what I'm more impressed with: colors and look with log and FilmConvert Nitrate + Hazy; or, my MacBook Air's (M5) ability to cut through the footage and watch in realtime. Initially, I wasn't that impressed with the Natural or Vivid profiles, but the Log looks great to me with FilmConvert. I need to try more. The ILS did very well with handheld shots at 17mm, given it's only electronic stab. I will have more lenses next week to try out. Unfortunately, I didn't have a ND of any type to test on this lens (who make a 40.5mm thread anyway? That's stupid). Anyway, next week, I'll have more stuff, including the media mod their new microphone kit. I know it sounds like I'm going all-in with GoPro, but I definitely think they're on to something. I'm quite impressed with the ecosystem too. No need to go through the anxiety in choosing between 5 different cameras either. You want wide- get the mission 1 pro or a Loawa lens.

If your use case is with C mount Super 16 lenses, "a bunch of lenses" might fit in a coat pocket. The tripod can also be an insanely light tripod or even something like a Manfrotto MP-3.

If you're going to get an ARRI phone, why wouldn't you get one with a built-in gimbal?

I envy the Ronin 4D for that.

GoPro ILS vs BMPCC OG... not a completely scientific test, but lots of shots in different scenes, so a good real-world comparison.

For me, 6K is ideal - I don't lose detail when reframing and even with some denoising, a lot of the fine detail sticks around. Really, for anything from 4K through 8K, it's fine for me. 4K just means I have to be more careful with my frame and 8K means using a bit more disk space (which I have plenty of for now, hope hard drive prices come down someday, though). But yeah, the frame rates are fantastic. They're one of the big reasons that Camera Conspiracies loves his M1P ILS so much.

There's a counter-culture online of (young) people shooting with early digicams etc, and the way they talk about it is that they're going for an alternative aesthetic to the clean modern digital look that's now in every smartphone and has become the 'default' look. Personally, I've been pushing how small a video camera can be, and it has brought me to the same place - deliberately choosing very poor video quality. I've been using the Kodak Charmera for travel, which is the size of a construction-workers thumb, because it's so small no-one really takes it seriously when shooting in public, and also because it doesn't attract thieves etc (unlike a large ILC or new smartphone). But I'm also resurrecting my old Lumix point-n-shoot for roughly the same reasons. I've started to think of the Charmera as a sort-of modern Super-8 camera - a much smaller and lower quality camera for amateurs. If you apply some film emulation then it can take away some(!) of the digital nasties but I'm guessing some people will prefer the unmodified low-quality digital look. In a sense it's a 'worst of both worlds' situation as it clips like digital but also has the low resolution of film while simultaneously looking sharp and harsh - applying the film emulation rectifies some of these issues to create a hybrid with some limitations of both looks. Here are some stills, both ungraded and also graded with a modified version of my Super16 film emulation, and some sample footage to get a sense of the motion (it's truly terrible). However, the more I use this camera and look at the footage the more it grows on me. I can't say I like it, but as I get used to the look it strikes me more as a look rather than deficiency. Here's a warts-n-all montage of some shots I took. I was mostly walking around while rolling, but at 45mm FOV with no stabilisation it's pretty jittery anyway considering it weighs about 30g / 1oz so has almost no weight to prevent micro-jitters. If this was a real edit I'd smooth over a lot of the rough edges like sound pops and clicks etc, but this is a realistic look at how it performs. The issues do lend it a certain charm (like in the name!) I think, and it's the imperfections that give something character, so logically this must have a lot of it! I'm still constantly thinking about how to get better results from it, but being so small it's hard to modify the setup at all without drastically diluting its biggest advantage - the size. Anyone else experimenting in the very shallow end of image quality?

some client work i did this year that switches between nicer video camera - iphone and minidv: i think the artifacts from minidv are really cool in an age of constant video recordings from phones and mirrorless cameras. the built in super long zooms on these old camcorders are also super useful.

Emanuel, I've been on many concerts 🙂 Mostly rock, pop groups and individual performers. 🙂 More or less concept is the same as Sony maybe Honor has a better implementation. IMHO it will have low market demand. I am motioncam user and visit their community forum from time to time. How many members do you think this forum has ? It recently crossed the 10K mark. More than half of the people who bought the application will run a few test clips and forget about it. Let's assume it has 10K active users or 3x this number. It is still a tiny number compared to the billions of smartphones sold per year. While the economics work for the application and team of 2 people I doubt it will work for the design and production of an add on module + related application and software that can be used only with specific smartphone model. Smarthones are primarily communication devices, then cameras. It doesn't make sense to spend 2000 Euro for a smartphone only because of a particular camera module or add on. 1000 Euro for a phone with decent cameras + 1000 Euro for a better cameras with interchangeable lenses makes more sense. Again IMHO those add on camera / lenses, telephoto lenses, robot phones, they will not last long. We'll see. Let us know if you buy this particular smartphone / camera.

Lets just remember its basically an action camera that had fixed focus for the longest time. Gopro are to be lauded for giving us a mount that allows different lenses, maybe not every lens in the world, but an improvement on what came before. I look at like, baby steps, its a start. Getting af and every other modern lens feature would be akin to putting another man on the moon i think. Probably not doable for $700 us I suspect electronics and af motors in the lens would probably drain the battery pretty quick. The mission 1 does have better battery life, i guess GoPro didn't want to jeopardise that for a pretty niche product. Well i think of af as a pretty niche product, for the longest time cinema cameras didn't have af, realistically af is a fairly new development. No doubt lots of people will argue about it but i have gotten used to peaking and for me no af is a abit of a non event anyway.

More here, there and also over there to include the new 200mm & 500mm teleconverters. E. ;- )

Good to know, i have gotten used to the peaking on the e-m1 iii. Occasionally i can still mess it up however but most times it works ok and i have to add its not the camera, its me with my Goldilocks syndrome, it has to be just right... I presume that if i use a fast aperture then the corresponding zone of focus is narrower too for the peaking and with a wider aperture then the peaking occurs across a wider zone of focus thats my thinking, although i cant say i have ever seen anything on youtube to confirm or deny that.

I actually kinda like it. Don't think it needs it, but you could easily add some sprocket holes to one side and some hair/dust/grain and I think it would pass for a bad digital 8mm film look... the micro shakes just adds to it. Could use those shots as transitions in your edits.

Nothing new under the sun. Sony tried this concept 13 years ago with Sony DSC-QX100 and Sony DSC-QX10. It didn't work / sell well. Maybe their implementation was not good, maybe smartphones were not fast enough or price was too high. I somehow doubt it will work now. 99.9 percent of the people are quite happy with the cameras on their smartphones. Those who want something more are a tiny minority and they have plenty of other toys to play with. So again I doubt this will sell. Same as those telephoto 300mm,400mm and more add on lenses. Who the heck needs those ? Bird shooters, sports shooters ? They are a tiny minority of a tiny minority and they will buy a mirrorless camera for those tasks. Smartphone manufacturers will soon realize they waist time and money. I am quite happy that we now have : 1. RAW video and basically great video IQ from smartphones with 3rd party applications 2. Finally one company broke the mold and produced a flagship smartphone with 35mm focal lenght main camera

Great to hear it's working for you. I've long suggested that the cheap Chinese lenses are a lot like the high-end vintage lenses from the SLR film camera days - both had simpler optical designs and simpler coatings. The only challenge is how good the lens is wide open, but if it's enough for your application then you're all good! Same for me. I have saved power grades for each camera that convert from camera colour space to Davincis log space, and a few Timeline power grades that apply a few variations of film emulations. I just pull all the footage into a timeline, apply the power grades, and then adjust exposure on any clips that need it (I use ETTR so this is normal for me) and mostly I'm good. The wider DR of the GH7 and iPhone 17 Pro means that the images are less crunched and therefore respond nicely to a film emulation contrast curve and so need a lot less fussing than the GH5 ones did. I standardised on 58mm filters as that's the largest size that fits most of my lenses. Actually about two thirds of my lenses have that size natively and for the ones I use a lot that don't have that I bought dedicated step-up rings and just have them permanently attached. I have a K&F Concept True Color Variable ND2-32 (1-5 Stops) as my main vND and recently bought a NiSi IR ND8 (3-Stop) fixed ND to stack on it if the 5 stops of the K&F aren't enough (5 stops is enough for full-sun at F5.6 but wider apertures than that will require more). I wanted to just buy a nice 5-9 stop one but I have a Tiffen? 4-stop filter and when I paired that with the 1-5 stop I got all kinds of IR pollution on the iPhone, so I knew that anything more than 5 stops needed IR filtration too, and I couldn't find anything that had it. I had to buy an 82mm one for the front of my Sirui anamorphic adapter, but got a cheaper Neewer 1-5 stop which seems to work ok, although that one I only shot at night and colour fidelity is less important for that stuff. I also bought a few lower-quality 1-9 stop vNDs in specific sizes for when I wanted to keep the lenses as small as possible, so I got a 46mm one for the 14mm F2.5 pancake lens which lives on my GX85, and a 40.5mm one for the 17mm F1.4, which I had thought might be a good low-light lens for the tiny GX85 Super-16 setup but I haven't shot anything with that combo yet. Funny how people end up with similar solutions!

…according to the smoke signals coming from the Dolomites. It isn’t the successor to the S1H, but what remains to be seen… Options: A. A bit too soon for an S9II surely? B. A photo-oriented version though maybe? C. A new Sigma, next gen FP/L? With a faster sensor, tilt screen and IBIS, that would be ossum. D. A Leica ‘Q3’ with interchangeable lens mount? E. DJI enters the arena with a non gimbal, non flying camera? Speculate below!

It seems sharp enough for me, easily resolving a 4k image. Remember, I'm only using the sweet spot of that lens. Others have notice vignetting, and corner softness- not the case when using just a fraction of the image circle. However, I notice back-lit subject will have a strong chromatic aberration (purple) at f/1.4, but it goes away at f/2.8. It flares a little too- a bonus for me. The usability is absolutely great though. Thanks. Yes, I really don't have too much time to fuss around with the files- make it look good to my eye and then off to the next one. I just do a few exposure adjustments. I got a whole new set of ND filters. The reason being that I haven't had much luck by using VND's on small/pixel dense sensors. Bad things happened when I put my VND on my old camcorder. In the end, I'm going for 55mm and using step-up rings to get there. Why 55mm? Most of my Konica glass uses that with only a few exceptions. Anyway, I got the K&F Nano-x ND4, 8, 64, and 1000 set. They should do the job and still manage decent quality from a 50MP sensor.

Nice images. Once you get files beyond a certain quality then the film emulation can do the rest. How are you finding the 17mm F1.4? Sharp enough wide open for you? In terms of filter threads, you can get filter-thread-adapters in that size. I bought a tiny vND for mine, which was really cheap because of the small amount of glass required!

Super cool. The only thing that I don’t like is the lack of stability, so I guess I like ‘the look’ more than anything. I’d never use any ‘retro’ camera myself, but I like the concept and idea of it. Keep pushing Kye!

Hard to say really other than at the time, it was easily the best ‘raw’ footage I was getting out of any camera and I am pretty sure that log vs log, no baked in LUT, it would stack up with any contemporary full frame L Mount. Opinion rather than fact. It was and still is such a great bit of kit. In terms of my use case, the S1Rii is better (AF, bake in a LUT, IBIS) but build and handling, the S1H. Otherwise, a new L Mount camera is supposedly coming next week and a successor to the S1H some time in the first 1/2 of 2027, but we’ll see… The L10 was only ever intended as an ‘EDC’ for me and I didn’t expect it to really work in my working environment and that use case was only really because one of my S9’s had stopped working . I was…and still might, picking up another S9 for the 2027 season but no rush and interested to see what else comes along in the next 6 months…

Interested!

A current experimental build for the EOS-M that I am working on. My goal is to turn the M into the only camera that offers crop modes in all of the major motion picture film formats.

I get that could be an issue, but for my use, being able to use modern lenses would've been advantageous. Putting a GoPro style camera into tight spots with some of the small M43 lenses would've been really, really nice for my work, especially with the slow mo capabilities. I'm not trying to use vintage lenses for sports, or soften the image, ya know, but I'd love to be able to put a tiny camera behind the backboard of a basketball hoop or attach it to the ring post of a professional wrestling ring and get footage that doesn't have that action camera look.

10 mins max? I only ever test these things in real world scenarios so no stop watches etc... 30+ Celsius. Usually direct sunlight which must add what, another 10 degrees? Why da fuck did they insist in making these things black?! Sorry, but it was never going to be that. I'd still have it today if I could bake in a LUT...

5D3 ML Raw vibes! Looking fantastic. Are you still rocking the GH6 plus Arri Log?

Love your thread and your posts! @John Matthews This camera looks exciting. I hope they get rid of the loud beep you have mentioned. The video above is awesome. Cinema verité style with both cameras. No endless blindness with dull gimbal hopping but framing and images to enjoy. No Matti Hoppola or Geraldo Undunino violet led backlit technews basements. I will need to read more about the ils if it allows an external evf, if hdmi is micro or mini. Thanks for sharing your findings and for the video above.

I think this is more "normal" footage that you can shoot with this camera. I share this guys opinion on this release:

the mission 1 ils seems to be more rare than a unicorn or hens teeth here in aus. i would buy 1 in a heartbeat. as i have the mission 1 pro already. I have tried to buy from gopro here in aus however the sale, for want of a better word is (blocked) its not falling over because off insufficient funds, something else stops it. i could pay cash for an alexa or high speed phantom if i desired, so i know i'm not the problem. b&h photo wont ship it to aus. thirdly, pro av one listed as one of the few available resellers for gopro here in aus called me back today after i made a request on their webpage. basically, their middleman who gets cameras for them, have no idea when one will be available. Their not even taking orders for when they do become available. His advice was to be very careful chasing an ils as he feels there are some odd things happening. He did also ask a bunch of questions whether i had m43 lenses already and other things, once i had satisfied his curiosity he was quite happy to discuss the ils. I suspect he wanted to make sure it wasnt a rushed purchase and i had some idea of what i was getting myself into. Thats kind of nice when most are just chasing a sale. congrats to anyone who does manage to get hold of one. Not sure if it because of gopro got sold or something else but it looks like it will be awhile before one falls into my hands.

I'm expecting some of this older Chinese glass to not be up to the crazy sharpness of the newer glass. For wide lenses, it's rather tricky with this camera. Sure, you could get the Laowa 6 or 7.5mm, but at that point, you might as well get another GoPro Mission 1 Pro, offering a second setup that is waterproof, etc. That's why I'm going more for the cheap stuff. I'll see this weekend if I can live with the softness of the 17mm f/1.4. Personally, I don't need the 1.4 unless in a pinch, but I'm secretly hoping that this lens can decently resolve 4k at 1.4 in the middle sweet spot of the lens. Anyway, I already have the S9 with the Laowa 28mm f/1.2 (my favorite lens of all-time). Two days ago, I was able to film a hedgehog eating at f/1.2 and 12000 ISO- the footage was so clean. Will do this weekend. Super-busy right now with teaching high-schoolers English though. :-) I'm really stoked about having smaller setups. Panasonic used to give us that in the past, but I think they've moved on; then they'll realize that had it right to begin with but it's too late (always late to the party). The whole setup with the 10, 17, and 25 with the body will be about 750g- that matters, especially considering the frame rates, codecs, and battery life.

Yes, and I think that the right situation for it is the combination of when you want a small camera and you want to shoot impromptu things. If you're shooting in controlled environments then a larger camera probably makes more sense, which was sort-of my point, and probably not explained that well. I agree about it being a new category, it sort of feels like that to me in a way too. Cameras are all about combinations of features, and this one has some feature combinations that haven't really come together before. I can recommend the Laowa 7.5mm F2, it's really sharp, but not cheap. It's probably not the right choice now as there have been wider lenses brought out in recent times, but as a reference the Laowa is a great performer. I suspect that we're probably better off without it having AF. I suspect that (in the parallel universe where they did give it AF) the AF they gave it would have been pretty rubbish and also because it got AF it probably wouldn't have gotten any/many good MF features, so neither pathway would have been particularly useful. Back in the days before PDAF subject detection was really a thing I remember spending quite a lot of time half-hitting the shutter and then asking the camera "why did you focus on the background?!?!?". The problem then, as well as the problem now, is that when there are multiple things to focus on, the robots are choosing which one and often falling on their faces. I shoot MFT at F5.6 and at F2.5 on PDAF and CDAF models and it's great and focuses incredibly fast all the time, but only because either the DOF is so large that everything is in focus or I'm simply focusing on on the middle of the image. I have the TTartisans 17/1.4 and it's small and light and cheap, but wide open it's more of a "character lens" rather than a sharp one. It's good for emulating the softness of film in-camera, if you know what I mean! I also have the 50mm 1.2 and it's a bit better than the 17mm IMHO, but neither of them are high-end glass. Share some images with us if you're able!

My old Canon T2i has stopped remembering the date and time if the battery is removed. It Turns out there is a hidden internal backup rechargeable “button” battery, not mentioned in the manual. Luckily it is accessible, as seen here: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Canon+EOS+Rebel+T2i+Clock+Battery+Replacement/139543 The battery is a Seiko MS614SE, not to be found in Canon’s support pages. After some effort I found a supplier that ships it in the USA: https://eu.mouser.com/en/ProductDetail/Seiko-Instruments-Micro-Energy/MS614SE?qs=vrQyzjTsotmt1bmGskqEPQ%3D%3D I will see if the new button battery fixes the problem. There may be more to it. There is also a similar thing going on with Fuji cameras. Starting earlier this year, my X-T3 will reset & lose my settings & the date If the camera is not turned off before removing the battery. There is a YouTube about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vOv-xjUtzw In the X-T3, I do not see an access to a button battery like there is in the Canon T2i.

The killer for me was no electronic connectors to the mount. To me, it kinda cuts the versatility. Being able to throw something like the 14mm 2.5 Panny lens on it to get a super compact camera, for instance, would've been pretty cool.

While it’s a great aspect of the ILS, I don’t really care much about the ability to mimic film or what have you. I just think the camera has great potential and is really in a class of its own, especially when you can get footage that looks like this out of it. Add in the various frame rates and what you can do with different lenses, and I think it’s a great camera for beginners and pros alike.

Ah, I miss the 70’s… These days your high school friends tend to get shot with 9mm.

The tagline needs to be, “make a movie while looking like a tourist”. From what I saw, the quality (in the right hands) is pretty insane. My own iPhone 13 Pro is getting close to retirement and probably will be replaced in 2027…

This highly-cherry-picked reel appeared in my feed. The image quality looks pretty impressive, so when the stars align the potential images from this thing are very nice. I guess the question for me is how many situations would the ILS be the right camera choice for? For example if you're going to pack a bunch of lenses, a tripod, and rig it up with filters, then go somewhere to shoot, setup your gear and potentially direct the scene in front of the camera, using a larger and more capable camera wouldn't make much difference to the logistics but could give advantages in DR and usability etc. For example, the ILS body is roughly 90mm x 60mm x 45mm, very similar to the Lumix GM1 which is 100mm x 55mm x 30mm. Small for sure, but by the time you add all the lenses and all the rigging, it's not like your camera bag is that much lighter. Does anyone know what the stabilisation is like with third-party lenses? Like, is it the same as the normal GoPros with their own wide lenses? or is it poor / hit-n-miss?

If it makes you feel better at all, nearly every Ronin 4D that was ever made is convinced that it is currently 1970. 😅

Guess they figured the RED camera went over so well that they should make one themselves! 🤣

Funny you should write this, I just got a A7v last week. My reasons are a bit different, we were awarded a project once again where we shot the bulk last round on Sony cameras, and will be using some of the B-roll for the new shoots. I just wanted all the new parts I'm shooting on Slog 3 cine as well. It feels a lot more refined than the A74 I had a while back!

Thanks! I didn’t see the other discussions. I haven’t been here in a while, as I’ve been busy installing solar panels on my roof and taking care of some other upkeep. This camera seems very quirky, which is a bonus for me. I’m looking forward to learning how to use it and figuring out what it’s good at. I’ve never had the ability to shoot at some of those frame rates, and 8K isn’t really my thing, but I’ll give it a try. It reminds me of the BMPCC OG days. Just so you know, I sold my GX800 (amazingly, a bigger and heavier camera) along with some kit lenses. I’ll probably let go of my Leica 15mm f/1.7 as well, since it won’t be of much use to me with this camera. I have a few plans for this thing, especially using some of my vintage glass, which could be a lot of fun. I’ll definitely report back once I’ve had a chance to play around with it.

I think we had some discussion about it! I'm very pro-Mission 1 ILS. I've bought a couple of Backbone-modded cams over the years (well, the first one I bought as a conversion kit for an existing previous-gen GoPro, which I promptly screwed up and then sent to them to help me fix nice guys!). The thing that's kept me from using either one is that monitoring is bad on them. The HDMI output on the older GoPro lags. We're not talking 3 frames... more like 1/4-1/2 second. And the monitor output on the Insta360 One RS... isn't. There's no wired display option for it and the wireless display to the phone is also laggy, even in an area with no wifi interference. Neither was made for pulling focus. And holding a wee little action camera right up to the eye to focus on its little screen (very little on the One RS) stinks - and tools to punch in, while available, are clearly an afterthought and are clunky. So they're most usable for something where you focus once and then just roll - which doesn't fit a lot of my use cases for a smaller sensor. Though they were great for the eclipse that came through the US a few years ago. Anyway. The M1P ILS seems to fix that problem. The screen is as big as you'll find on an action camera. Wired monitoring is possible and (from what I've seen) low-latency. Dynamoc range is, by action camera standards, good. The only reason I didn't buy one when I got the "in stock" notice from B&H was that... well, I just got a Pyxis 12K because the current sale is crazy. That and it's GoPro - they'll be on sale for at least $100 off within a year. That's how I got my M1P non-ILs.

And… …selling it. It’s been a decent stills experience but less so video. From the stills perspective, it takes nice pics but back to the same old dilemma I always have and that is the best camera I have with me at all times is always going to be my phone and it’s a PITA to carry 2 devices. On the video side if things, it worked well enough on the gimbal but operating the gimbal as a one man band hybrid shooter is as much a PITA as that ever was so selling the RS4 mini also and replacing both, ie the gimbal and the L10 with a Pocket 4P. Also, in the static role, overheated in literally no time in the type of environment I typically work in and at not much difference in size to an S9 with a small lens, which despite not having a fan, is surprisingly durable. More so than my S1Rii’s I *think*. I have not tested the latter but as my S1Rii’s have overheated in a static role multiple times and my S9 never has… Anyway, L10, I wanted to really like it, but it’s not cutting it for work purposes (never really expected it to as than as D cam at best) and can’t really be bothered as an EDC and with hindsight I shouldn’t have bothered, but hey, we sometimes need to try to find stuff out. Anyone want to buy a lightly used L10 in the UK?!

The one thing I have not tried is the e stab, but straight out of the box with zero set up other than a quick balance, on the RS4 mini with the optional tracking module, it worked superbly. Not even close to anything like overheating, but then so far, I have only really been shooting stills with it. Start up time must be fine as I have not noticed anything other than it takes a second or so for the zoom to find it’s last setting, either; 28, 50 or 75mm as I have it set. Battery life excellent. I just came back from a week long trip to Scotland and shot well over 1000 frames and battery still showing 2 bars.

Already looked a ton of reviews for this one, since is (almost) the camera I was waiting since 2014, when I got my OG LX100 - it was my first 4k camera. Still have it here, internal batery dead, but still functioning well. For years tried to get an MK II, but the used prices are insane (should drop now). This one solves a lot of problems of the LX100 I and II: - Finally it have a PDAF sensor on it, and with more resolution to boot (12mp on the OG, 17 mp in MK II, 20 mp in this one). - The sequential field EVF is gone, is a proper OLED now, the same 2,36mp panel that everyones uses. Never had the tearing issue with my LX100, past in the day it was on par of the others, but now you see the resolution difference. - Movable LCD. I would prefer a tilt screen instead of a flip, but in todays market, I undersatnd the decision. - More controls, more customization, LUT support (this is a MUST), switch for stills / video / S&Q, and now is a PASM model (In the LX100 you had to remember to set the shutter speed manually every time you wants to record a video). I was 100% sure to get one, and I saw the price. Ouch. But newer cameras are pricier each day. And after I saw some things: - The camera is much larger than the LX100 models - in fact, have almost the same size than a S9. Ok, they fitted a much larger battery, but...for m43, it could be much smaller. Battery aside, it could have the old size (even with some video lenght cap, like 30 mins - not the 15 min of the LX100)...and than I realized. - Panasonic now have the tendency to share body design between cameras (S5II and G9 II, for example). Then my prediction - this body will be shared with the S9 II, EVF and all. - About the lens - is exactly the same, but the PetaPIxel guys said that Panasonic told them that the dust problem was addressed. And the stills appear much sharper than the MK II, looks like there were som optimization. - No IBIS - Probably it would cause trouble the the "multi-aspect" of the sensor. The lens does not cover the whole sensor, and vignette would appear if the sensor moves (which does not occur with the lens OIS). Internal space for an IBIS they have for spare - the GX9 is much smaller and have a very good IBIS. They should keep the lens formula the same, just make it larger (to cover the whole sensor) but...profits. It is a very good camera, and I still want it badly. But is expensive, and for an EDC camera, for my use cases, an RX100 VII is a more versatile and smaller proposition (and costs the same new, much kess used). The X-E5 is almost a dream camera to me too, and I did not bought one, again for the price. And I shoot less and less, hard to justify it.

https://www.fastcinemadng.com/ Thoughts?