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Went for a walk this morning. I was able to make a short video: Sorry for the music. Everything is hand-held. Shot it at various frame rates. Most everthing shot in GoPro Log 2 (the slow-mo shots are in Natural) and plopped into a timeline for cutting and added FilmConvert with the GoPro Mission 1 Pro and GoPro Log 2 profile. No grain was applied. Anyway, you'll get an idea of the colors, electronic stab, etc. I also wanted to say that I was able to update the ILS to the GoPro Labs firmware and use a QR code for putting a super-helpful histogram (better than the Lumix one on the GX800).

@kye As promised, here’s the video I mentioned over in the Narrative Films Shot in Uncontrolled Cities thread. I put together what I call my Mission Kit for the ILS, consisting of the Brightin Star 10mm fisheye, 7Artisans 10mm, TTArtisan 17mm, and the 7Artisans 25mm, 35mm and 50mm. The idea was to keep everything small, lightweight and affordable while still getting a very good image. The video is just a collection of footage shot with the different lenses, with each lens identified on screen. It’s not technical at all and it’s very casual. I’m just showing what these little lenses can do with the ILS.

I'm at a point where I ALMOST see no point in shooting log profiles. There are a few good ones, but most require more grading after a utility LUT is applied and/or creates scenarios where everybody's footage looks pretty much exactly the same. So if you're just slapping on a LUT and calling it a day, for 9 out of 10 shots, you could just use a standard rec709 picture profile and get similar results. With the advent of 10bit video, in recent years, most standard picture profiles look even better than they ever have with thicker color and near perfect skintones. Sure there are instances when you may need the extra stop or two of dynamic range a Log profile offers, or a specific LUT gets you a relatively quick look by shooting Log, but again... 9 out of 10 times, a slightly tweaked Rec709 picture profile will end up looking better and get you there so much easier without worrying about CSTs and color pipelines... especially since damn near ever Log profile is just trying to emulate Arri LogC which in turn was designed to emulate film. Speaking of, I have the Arri LogC3 software key on my GH6 and it's pretty good... better than vLog but it's still noisy as hell with ugly chroma noise in the midtones and shadows so I recently went back to CineLikeD and V and I am back to making a couple contrast and saturation adjustments and being happy with it. I'm sure there is a slight hit in DR, but nothing so drastic that I'm surprised or wish I shot in Log instead. So Log is cool, I'm glad it's available, but it's fairly unnecessary in most situations and can cause a bigger headache.

I also get where you are coming from and that is why I bake the LUT into my footage. I set up all my cameras with 3 basic profiles based on ISO and WB for outdoor, indoor and low-lowlight scenarios. I say LUT, but there are actually 2x LUTS stacked; the conversion LUT and then my own custom ‘Look LUT’ which can be dialled in anywhere between 10-100%. It gets the look I want SOOC and it’s as unique to me as these things can be, is easy in the workflow and allows me to concentrate more on the interesting side of editing a film rather than the boring to me, more logistical grading. Only really works if no one else has a say in the end result and I’m fortunate that I’m my work, the grade is 100% my call.

It’s a real fun camera to use. It actually brought my muscle memory back to the days of manual focusing. I remember when people used to talk condescendingly to people who relied on autofocus. Now it’s flipped. So funny. The negative comments I read about using this camera is mind boggling. If the camera isn’t for you, just go about your business. Why try to bash the person wanting to experience something different?

Very cool! I'm so glad you are keeping this thread alive. One of my first interchangeable lens cameras was the eos-m and I loved that camera. The last time I used it, almost 10 years ago, was when I tested Magic Lanter on it... I did test the raw but it was pretty abysmal back then... so I was more interested in the bitrate bump. Shortly afterwards, my camera path led me through BM and into my 5D iii, so the the eos-m just sat in the closet for years. A couple years ago I was thinking I'd take it out and mess with it again. Hadn't really thought about using it in years, so I grabbed it from the closet, charged one of my old batteries and pushed the on button... and nothing. I just figured it died... so back into the closet it went. I recently realized it may need a card with ML boot flag (or whatever it's called) on it. I ordered some new batteries and I'm going to figure out which cards are good for the new builds and cross my fingers. Anyway @QuickHitRecord thanks again for keeping this topic alive. No disrespect to the other forum members, but basic camera chat about new releases is fun and all, but the reason I started posting on EOS HD was because of posts like this.

Apparently the Metabones SB accepts USB power in, it can be powered by the camera itself, and it can power a lens and has a wheel that can change the aperture of the lens.. and because it has power that means lens OIS will work too! @newfoundmass this isn't a MFT solution but it does allow some electronic lenses to be used - not sure if you have a metabones and other lenses lying around perhaps?

I only use Log for situations which are relatively consistent throughout the whole shoot. It's not a good profile for run and gun filming. My commercial work I can keep pretty consistent so it can be shot in Log, my other work is weddings, I ideally need access to the full ISO range on a camera, I need to work indoors and outdoors, variable colour temperatures and lighting conditions. My wedding clients won't know or won't care if I shot Log or not. I use a tweaked Natural profile on my Lumix cameras, using 10-bit where possible which makes a huge difference in post if my WB is off. The files are still thick enough to push and pull. Yes I might only have 9 or 10 stops of DR to play with as opposed to around 12 if I shot in Log but at least it's much less stressful to work with on the day and easier to manage in post. I have a PowerGrade with my signature look ready to go in Davinci which I slap on and Adjustment layer then make minor final tweaks to clips where necessary.

@mercerits trendy to be a lemming 🙄. And that’s what a lot of personalities on YouTube are doing and once someone enters with non NPC thoughts and actions, you’re berated. That’s what stopped me from posting things on YouTube and social media in general, but I’m getting older and I have worthwhile years in the industry. I sure as heck can voice my thoughts and opinions and shouldn’t give a rats a$$ about what people say.

I don't know if it's overbearing as much as it's an exercise in futility for at least 60-70% of the shots. But my biggest issue is that the utility LUTs just make everybody's footage look the same. Now I don't necessarily mean anyone on this site, but if you go on YT and watch 90% of the reviewers, their footage all looks the same and a majority of those guys have their own businesses separate from their YT channel. So to eek out an extra stop or maybe two, depending on the shot, let's shoot Log, slap a LUT on there and call it a day... or do a CST... now it's like I shot with an Alexa... and call it a day. That just doesn't really interest me anymore. I'd rather have DR limitations I'm forced to work around and get more interesting images. Just a thought I've been wrestling with. It's not like I'll never shoot in Log, I'm just opening up other options and exploring different color profiles now there's 10bit video in almost any camera.

This is exactly why smartphones and smaller cameras like the GoPro Mission 1 Pro ILS are so appealing to me. You can move quickly, stay discreet, and still capture great images. I put together a great nimble kit for this project and I’m actually planning something similar with the ILS in NYC, grabbing shots in some premium locations to give the production a much bigger feel without a big crew or footprint. And I’m definitely grabbing some long and discreet shots.

Love your insights, you should post more :- )

A few more thoughts on the ILS... Here's a 4k shot of my balcony solar panels. I really thought I could make some moiré with this. Not the case, at least not in the 4:3 4k mode. Everything is hand-held with the E-stab on. For DR in GoPro Log2, it seems to be living up to their claims 14 stops. When it does clip, this is what it looks like: Personally, I can live with this. I have a FilmConvert Hazy plugin to smoothen out some of that harshness on the clouds: This was all done rather quickly and could have been better, I'm sure. Here, I cranked up the shadows just to see what it would look like. I might run it up against my S9 just because I'm curious.

I respect that choice. But I'm also not going to post every build that's offered. Maybe if I see another that catches my eye. Currently working on a new idea: FILM MODE gives you all of the film presets in some or all of 4:3, 16:9, 1.85:1, and 2.35:1, puts shutter angle on the shooting screen, and offers 23.98 and 25fps. VIDEO MODE gives you all of the standard broadcast and consumer sensor presets (2/3", 1/2", 1/2.3", 1/3", and 1/4") in 16:9 or 4:3 if possible. Choose between 23.98, 25, and 29.97fps. See shutter speed on the shooting screen, and ISO is replaced by Gain/dB. Suddenly, you can you can accurately frame for ten different lens standards, plus anamorphic. Show me another camera that can do that! This is such a cool little camera.

Yeah we've taken a lot of time to create a film look that gave good color, but also just kind of works. When using footage in a doc from a lot of different cameras, archive stuff etc. a lot of film looks can break easily. We also wanted something that while invoking film, was also not too strong. Below are some side by sides, the images on the left are the look we developed, and the versions on the right are a standard CST:

Thank you very much! That video was actually meant to be longer. It’s literally cut in half. I just got tired of the editing. My day job I’m filming and editing for a popular news outlet in the states and I just couldn’t do anymore to my video. The other half I show examples of bigger and unwieldy manual MFT lenses in my collection. The VO is there and the clips I want to use, so I may just finish it over the weekend.

In the last year or so, I've been switching to having my projects default to ACES in Resolve with rec.709 set for the output color space. It's pretty slick. Most footage is automatically transformed into the color space by Resolve and a lot of cameras look pretty simple, even without cienmatch. One bummer is that FilmConvert doesn't support it, but Spektrafilm and Dehancer both do and both are pretty great for finding a base look to work from. Anyway, if the goal is to have a specific look, even across cameras, it would probably be a decent jumping-off point.

Sounds like a capable setup! I'd imagine you just setup the camera with the right codec and frame rate and exposure time, then you're just using the lens and filters to expose and focus? That was how I was shooting with my BMMCC and it was great, not having to navigate camera menus or anything. I bought a bulk lot of drink can holders (which are just fabric covered foam) and found they're great for putting lenses in to protect them from each other, so if you want to upgrade your paper towels that might be an option. You could super-glue them together if you wanted to make something with a bit of shape, sort-of a very DIY custom camera-insert.

It's all just a workflow thing really. We shoot everything in log and it's easy. We have film simulation grades we've developed in post that we input to the camera as a reference LUT. Then in post that same grade is automatically dropped on in the edit. This means we get a pretty consistent look all the way through the process and grading time is minimal. But I agree if we were just dropping a cst on the footage there wouldn't really be a point to shooting log.

2 hours... no joy. Not sure where i went wrong, but at at 11pm i pulled the battery, then the card. Thought i may have bricked the thing. However it fired up without a card and i put the card in the pc and reformatted it and copied the update file across again. On the 2nd try it, updated in about 5 minutes. I should add this was the mission 1 gopro. The mission1 ils can't be updated via sd card or i could only get it to happen over blutooth, there simply is no other option to continue on with. That failed multiple times... in the end i had 8 separated gopro entries in the blutooth pairings when i checked... i deleted all the entries and I turned the phone off and the mission 1 ils off. Once i restarted both, it decided to play ball. The ils blutooth update was a bit quicker than the sd card approach however it did do an app update and another update then it did the ils update. Cant remember what the middle update was for and at this time of night i don't really care. I can't say i have ever used the phone with a gopro before now, but i'm hoping i can use it as either a monitor and or use the phone to trigger the ils, as i can see that being quite handy. I did find something on youtube about auto focus for the ils not watched it yet, perhaps it will interest some of you. Other than that, good night.

You're pretty accurate on this one : ) Some elegant shots and atmosphere right there on your other entry, kudos to you, they sell the cam... ; ) Loved the voice too BTW :- )

@kye I’m really shooting it regular, I guess? I’m not doing anything fancy other than trying to remember which way on my focus pull is far or near. Which gets annoying because of the lens changes. Lately I’ve been shooting it court side at NBA games, just using my iPhone 17 Pro Max as a monitor and the Media Mod without any other attachments for the audio. The lenses are carried in a small camera bag separated with thick paper towels to limit the clanking and potential scratching and I have a manual blower to remove any debris. I shoot in GPLog most of the time and I prefer to shoot in a 4:3 aspect ratio. Even though the Mission Monitor app allows the user to apply LUTs for monitoring, I usually like to view it flat (for me it makes it easier to see the focus peaking) or with the standard profile color LUT. My intent is to film and publish a super high quality film, run & gun style with this camera. Only using the bare minimum of equipment from lighting to sound. I know it can be done, especially with the examples you shared and what those directors used. I have a story. I just need the actors who are willing to participate in this project for food and travel expenses. I will split royalties once it’s up and available.

Awesome! So often people just talk about gear but I find myself spending far more time thinking about the camera/lens/filters combo and how it interacts with the subjects and techniques I use when shooting. I'm keen to hear how you use the kit when out and about shooting in uncontrolled and difficult situations.

@John Matthews thanks for watching the video! Regarding the lenses, those are pretty much some of the most affordable lenses you can get for the ILS without sacrificing too much image quality. The 10mm fisheye is surprisingly good, especially considering it’s fixed at f/5.6. My biggest issue with it is the lack of a traditional filter thread for ND filters. I usually work around that by avoiding scenes with too many bright highlights, but I’m trying to figure out an affordable way to rig a variable ND using some sort of clamp system. I really want to use that lens more because I love the image it produces. The 50mm image is very good, but my least favorite out of all the lenses because it’s heavy (even though it fits the weight compatibility) and it isn’t sharp at all wide opened. Which is usually the case, but this is blurry soft. At f4 it’s lovely, but I really wanted to use it for those creamy portrait shots where I can see the emotional state of a person. As for labs, i’m familiar and have it installed, but I’m not a big fan of the whole QR code approach. I feel like a lot of those functions should already be accessible once the Labs is installed, instead of having to chase down QR codes. That said, it’sa great addition to the community! Now the new firmware features for photography look really impressive. I’ve watched a few videos on them, and I think photographers will get a lot out of it. I’m definitely not a photographer, so I’m personally waiting for more cinema related features. Also not sure if you didn’t realize when watching the video, I tend to put more details in the descriptions. I’d rather keep my videos relatively short and use a lot of footage. I’m much more comfortable writing about this stuff than talking about it on camera.

Yes. I saw your video on YouTube. We've got pretty much the same lenses, minus the 10mm fisheye and the 50mm. Today, there was new firmware (version 4). Also, I installed Labs; so, I'm curious to see the improvements, especially for photos as it was seriously lacking.

@kye I actually put together a little lens kit for the ILS. My Mission Kit consists of the Brightin Star 10mm fisheye, 7Artisans 10mm, TTArtisan 17mm, and the 7Artisans 25mm, 35mm and 50mm. Trying to keep everything small, lightweight and affordable without sacrificing too much in image quality. I don’t wanna hijack this thread, so I’ll post a video I made briefly going over the lenses in the dedicated ILS thread.

If watching camera YT has taught me anything, it's that there's no such thing as bad attention. In fact, if you can stir up some haters, then your videos will get more "engagement" and you'll do better in the algorithm. The two 'personalities' on YT who keep starting arguments with each other are all the better off for the controversy. So I say... post away! Anyone who brings some experience and/or some nuance to the table will definitely be ahead of the pack, especially for camera-related content.

I agree to a degree. I definitely think it can get over bearing and could possibly slow down your workflow. That’s why I shoot mostly burning a custom look in camera, but there are times when you really want to push the boundaries of an image. Whatever it is, I just make sure I’m capturing great images.

I just bought a used G9 without the LOGkey. That little bit of extra LOG DR I'm used to on my GH5 is leaving me wanting to go buy the key for the G9. It's not much increase in DR, you're right about that, but I do miss not having that little bit of extra juice to squeeze ... and, ironically, I do a lot of Standard profile 8-bit. So I ain't exactly super discriminating about my footage.

Probably not. I had a love hate relationship with that camera. I think I owned 3 of them, and the best I got out of it was on the first day I shot with it... it was all downhill from there.

Definitely agree.. especially considering that if you really want to push the image around, you can convert it to LOG and make changes and then convert it back again.

Damn. After playing with the 7artisan 10mm, this camera looks so good. The electronic IBIS is working wonderfully and you don't hear any audio weirdness like with normal IBIS sometimes. The colors when you put the Log into FilmConvert are great IMO. About the 10mm, it's not perfect. For starters, there was quite a bit of play in the mount. I fixed it with a little electrical tape. However, it's super easy to focus and quite fun. The image seems quite sharp too.

I don't know if I have any cameras that record in 8-bit at this point, but I can certainly poke around a little. Worst case, I could go even lower-fi and just shoot it on the PXL-2000.

Maybe late to the party.. Left-Handed Girl is maybe the latest film completely shot in the wild (and with a phone)