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Higher standard is NOT expected. People are influenced by youtube and instagram these days, or from the 1 bazillion reality shows they are watching on Mtv and 1000 other networks producing crap. The only thing they want from their photos, is more bokeh. Shoot 5000, crop 200 of them, add some "filters" and you got a job done. 20 even 30 years ago we were going 1-2 or even 3 days per week at the cinemas to catch up with the latest and greatest. Now cinema seems to be based only on technical aspects. Youtube is the big educator of YOLO generations, and all the main professionals are NOT there, there are just young kids, doing a few weddings, and then suddenly are the world's experts about film making! I have worked with some of the previous generation here and abroad, and not one of them is on youtube!

Don't make this a wedding thread please. Make a new one if you need info about it. @thebrothersthre3 it is pretty simple, if you have to do something really important, it doesn't have to be an opera, even a traditional dance group can be important, then you have to watch a rehearsal of the show/live performance or better, the prova generale, maybe you have to keep notes as well. Pre production is part of the job description!

Ι paid a fairly experienced camera operator to do a little camera job for me of a traditional dance night, almost a 50 years old guy, with a steady camera on a tripod for the wide, and another on a monopod for closer looks, and the footage is terrible! He missed almost all the things he should capture. He started as a photographer, and turned to video after the 5DMKII revolution, and obviously never got it... Changing framing way too fast. Moves were terrible and non usable. I have some experience now with music and live performanes, and I believe I am quite good (I am a trained musician anyway), but some things are just common sense, I mean, if the goddamn guitarist is soloing, just zoom in a little, don't go to the drummer! He missed stuff like that! Some of those lives (especially with dance groups) I put 4-6 cameras. It is a nightmare after to edit of course, but it can be impressive, and it is a lot better and different than the usual stuff. I also charge a bit more, but not what I should.

I would like to hear more from you, as you are a fairly young guy into the industry, more connected with the 20 something generation, and you seem to have a good and sensible approach of things. This new mindset of "just do it", as you mention above, is what interests me more. Education seems to be not only irrelevant, but a negative - and I heard that a lot - especially in the wedding scene, most of the people are "I didn't study anything relative, but that is a good thing, because I am free to create on my own terms", I heard that a lot. Then, if you study, or work your way up, is a huge minus, why to waste effort, sweat, time and money when you can go straight to the top?! Thanks for your honest comment, and I would like to hear more for the YOLO generation - as I call it. I am a father myself, and there is not even one chance that my kids are not going to learn, or read, a lot in their lives! I guess I am old school, but old school is good sometimes. Life is not easy, but if you try reasonably, it can be good fun!

VIDEO IS EASY that is what they will tell you! Real life facts that I am thinking about a lot the last couple of weeks 1) friend wants to be a youtuber, she wants to learn everything about editing, equipment, lights, sound, and everything in between. Whatever I learned in 20+ experience and a few degrees, she wants in one afternoon. 2) we have a small team, doing internet videos, try to fit 15-20 small ones per day of shooting, the team is a DP with 30+ years of experience at the highest level, me with 20+ years, and our editor 15+ years at the highest level (for our country the highest level, don't get me wrong) and we have a young guy helping building his experience now. At one time, the 25 years old gal doing social media for the client, comes to see. She stayed for an hour, she walked all the time with high heels, played with her phone, and the first thing she said, "I want that to be like this", after half an hour trying to explain her that what she wanted wasn't applicable in this prouction, she left..we lost almost an hour because of her and we missed our brake because we didn't have time for the rest. 3) on another such video, same team, another girl supervising social media for the client, never present on set, send a text "maybe it is better for me to edit the videos, what program do you use so I can watch some tutorials today and do the videos in the weekend?", that was the actual text message... 4) the last, a lot, years, I have met a lot 22-25 year old kids introducing themselves as "DoP" or "director". I have never heard, "I am trying to do camera", or "I would like to be part of a production". 5) In the past, I had a director, that withouht being in the busniness, through social networking, connections, luck, and very low salary has become a director! Knowns nothing about anything, but through youtube videos and director's masterclasses believes he is one of the best in the business! Very proud that became a director without experience and no studies, really having no clue at all. I can't even explain how terrible is to become something you do not deserve, and there is no direction ever, mostly the shooting was happening because of some experienced actors, the DP and me. Crazy stuff..There are others like him coming. 6) wedding video and photography...what a joke..I have met policemen, DJs, wood cutters, military personel, and so many different people, that occasionally, or more professionally are doing weddings. So many of them, are bringing their wives/girlfriends (I have seen that in video mostly), and boyfriends/husbands ( I have seen that in photography mostly) to do second photo camera, or video, or second/third video. So many bad experiences on weddings, I should write a comedy book. 7) we were discussing with an old DoP about instagram recently ( I do not have, I am not familiar at all with it), and he was telling me that 8/10 photos on instagram have a crazy horizon at the back for no particular reason at all..Of course there is a reason, 101 in photography isn't needed anymore. So, video is easy, just press the RED button.

Sorry, I have been confused, it IS dual ISO then, just 2500 and not 3200, that is good too I guess.

so it isn't the same sensor as the P4K/GH5S, which is a huge minus for me. Do you know in what other camera the E2 sensor is used? maybe GH5? for me GH5 presents noise for very low ISO, a workhorse of a camera, but the reason I didn't buy one was that.

Absolutely. for me having an office, it was a big deal to have the license. Also Braw starts becoming something of a mainstream option. So, the price is even lower in reality. @IronFilm yes, because that is why the Z lower their prices also! and, is it the dual ISO sensor? I ask because I do not remember. because without that feature, I would never have bought a m43 camera, the noise even in low ISO was too much for me, with the 3200 is just incredible and no problem against bigger sensored cameras. 3200 is the max I shoot anyway. To shoot Prores Raw you need an additional buy, and extra cost. I remember reading the Z raw being not as good at the moment.

Is this a dual ISO sensor though? also, external prores raw, and their internal Z raw hasn't matured yet. and P6K is still a lot cheaper than the Z 6K

...not another click bait please..for a few seconds I have my pulse elevated, not good for the heart for us mature people. ..and I do not need another phone for at least a couple more years.

I, personally, didn't have any real issues with Red cameras, I just do not like them, and even in sound, most of the times I was ok. Imagine though that they were offering low budget media for top productions. I am not sure if that was a wise strategy, but I am not keen on Red things, so I am not sure if anyone lost any data because of the cheap media. Do the research and inform us(!). Most of the times, another brand was usually a better choice though. Here, "small" kids are renting Red cameras, or even buying ones, to look professional! I have seen so much bad footage out of them, it is unbelievable!

there are a lot of stories about "Initializing" staying there for minutes. Very slow start up time. Restart the camera after a glitch, usually when one uses the pre-roll function. tha fans hit so hard that are soundmen nightmare e.t.c It is well know in the industry that is a "special" breed of cameras, and some cameramen call them "producers choice", not DPs or cameramen.

https://www.amazon.com/YONGNUO-YN360-Adjustable-Temperature-3200K-5500K/dp/B01D2X4A8Y/ref=pd_lpo_421_t_1/144-5796206-3176111?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01D2X4A8Y&pd_rd_r=1628800d-37ce-4d2c-8260-33f4cf13b199&pd_rd_w=wBPcR&pd_rd_wg=en78R&pf_rd_p=7b36d496-f366-4631-94d3-61b87b52511b&pf_rd_r=633BKGWMDMV4QAD5JSEK&psc=1&refRID=633BKGWMDMV4QAD5JSEK I have this one, very cheaply made, I haven't use it much, but the wow effect is there, and for cheap. I believe there are newer versions out now, II and III but I do not know anything about them. For the price, is good value I believe.

Japan started like China, and then become Japan, Korea started like Japan, and now it is Korea, China started like Japan, it will be like Korea, and then it will become China, which it would be number 1 in most aspects of global life, because they are a lot bigger than Japan, or Korea, and they will "world dominate". Obviously we are seeing only the beggining of the "century of China", as I call it. Another huge factor is, while western life turns to "gangsta trap hip hop" and kids just want to become rich or youtubers, China steadily increases their quality of education, and still Chinese value education a lot higher than western world. Kids now days want easy money, fast and YOLO. I freelanced for a Singapore TV station last year, and we did an interview of a Singaporian - Chinese maestro, and he was telling us that the biggest force in Symphonic orchestras right now are Asians. Look how many Asians there are in the Chicago Symphony Orchestra..because they put the effort. Some of them at least. China probably will be education's last stand.. To be fair, India has a lot of students as well. I met a lot of Indian friends at my international universities back in the day, most of them did programming and I.T in general (I know, stereotypical, but true!), but it seems to me China is more focused to dominate.

I think you are right about the business strategy. It seems they are transforming to a more consumer orientated business, which is good for their bank accounts, but the plug in price is just too much. Also, they will loose loyal older customers - but die hard professionals, that spend the big money, I can see people to move to Zaxcom and Sonosax and the such..You know these older sound mixers like some kind of exclusivity on their brands. I am not sure what's behind their decision, on an already expensive product, mind you. I hope the next step is Zoom offering something similar for free, like they did with their Automix function!