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Does Anyone shoot Anything in normal speeds anymore? Jesus what is the deal with trying to see if Anything is worth a crap on a camera at 120p Slo Mo. Sam Peckinpah is alive and well.

Hi everybody! here i wanna share some stills from a little "fiction/experimental" project I shot with some friends. All this are graded with GHa Log-C.

What a wonderful guinea pig. Imagine it squeaking as it sails off to Canon Island.

exactly the opposite ? I bought BMPCC recently and I prefer it before my GH5 for DR and Color BMPCC for shooting people document, music video, film (BMPCC will not forgive you, you have to learn the filmmaking craft, nothing slowmo YEP ? last work https://youtu.be/Pk_Qyuy_r5M I use GH5 for shooting event, wedding, (Run&Gun situation)

38 Seconds of footage from the Pocket 4K. Just initial test. Will have a lot more soon! I will make this private in a bit but it's for those that wanted a bit of footage from Day 1. I'm not fan of the shakiness since we didn't have the appropriate gear, nor did we have the Wireless FF. DNG 3:1. 24fps and 60/24fps, there’s some light DNR on some of the clips. Sigma 18-35mm Nikon with a Hoya ProND 8 (I put this on and forgot I had it on for the whole duration). Viltrox Nikon to m43 version. Ronin-S. 4th Axis Stabilizer (Didn’t know how to set the tension at this point, next clips will be better!). Light warp on the beach clips.

Did you expect it to look like an Arri Alexa for 1400 bucks if it is real footage? I thought it looked pretty good. In this day and age about anything can look pretty good with skill. I have not seen any camera other than your C200 frame grab, a few PK4 Raw footage, and some original BMPCC, even some ML Canon stuff which was probably shot in Raw, that is worth taking about that is great. So I guess the take away is if it is not shot in Raw it is not too shit hot. A iPhone, a Panny G7, a GH5, a X-T3, Z7 etc. can all pretty much look alike, and actually does to be honest. And to add fuel to the fire you have to be pretty damn good to even edit, grade Raw. Most people on average suck at it, me included. So the average persons footage is going to look well... Average. Imagine my surprise. Take away, shoot with what you have, and be happy. Because unless you are skilled as hell it ALL looks alike no matter what it is shot on. So just save your money, shoot with what you got.

No need for CineLikeD when they've all got LOG

“I am not worried about bricking my camera, because it’s already a brick with a 1.8x crop and rolling shutter to make the leaning tower of Pisa look straight.” that moment when I laugh hard in the plane and everyone looks at me...

Rear lens - 80mm. Designed for 35NAP family and other big scopes. Can be used also with smaller scopes thru adapters.Tests and footage next week.

My EOS R is open to a bit of experimentation! Read the full article (Summary: it works!)

DPreview (Jordan Drake aside), Kai (without Lok), Tony & Chelsea, Fro etc.. are all general photography based channels. They don't really know/care about video stuff , beyond the basics.. The few video channels that exist are either biased to a system, or sponsored by camera stores / manufacturers (ie shills). Not many independant, cross platform reviewers out there..aside from Andrew. I thought his review of EOS R was rather balanced, was expecting him to just rip it to shreds honestly. But he gave it some credit where it was due. ..and indeed pointed out it's giant flaws for video, rightfully so. i wanna hear the good & the bad in a review. not just one side & not just the obvious stuff. RS is a serious issue. Bigger issue then the crop factor imo. I'm only using 4K on EOS R for locked tripod shots, but if it weren't the case.. it would be basically unusable. Anyways let's all take a deep breath, we're all in here with a common passion & these gear wars are getting out of hand..

I am only joking. I quite agree with you actually. IBIS is a bit lazy, and it doesn't give as cinematic results as proper rigging or a tripod. But it's a lot more fun for run & gun narrative, a lot quicker, stealthier and a lot easier. As for AF, it depends on how well it works. Dual Pixel AF can be very cinematic. Anything that darts around or hunts is out. It depends on the shot as well, as whether or not you track focus on something depends on the story and mood of the scene.

It doesn't have half the features of the GH5/GH5s, It has different features. Taking the photo side of the GH5 out of the equation, I would say the pocket has more features for video. If you need a hybrid camera obviously the P4K is the wrong choice. I really don't understand this way of thinking. When shooting video, the GH5s only really has AF and a tilt-able screen up it's sleeve compared to the Pocket4k (and better battery life). Yes, AF is handy for shooting home videos, and yes, I wish the Pocket4k had a tiltable screen but to call it a useless camera is pretty silly. I've used it in a run n gun situation with zero accessories and more than happy with the results. How do you get to $3000? Add a $100 monopod, a $180 AndyCine a6 and an NP-F battery (the andycine can power the P4K) or 4 more LP-E6N batteries and you have a run n gun package that will be better than any IBIS can provide. A monopod is the most underrated bit of gear by videographers. Quick to set up, lightweight, easy to carry, versatile... and better than any IBIS or OS. While AF is nice for home videos, if you want to step up your video game, the sooner you learn to focus manually and ditch stop relying on AF the better. Are people today born with eyes that can't see, or hands that can't turn a focus barrel? Are they all born with hand tremor? Is a camera without AF or IBIS really useless in todays world? Maybe according to you, but I'm managing to use cameras from many different manufacturers that don't have either features pretty well. In relation to IBIS, while IBIS is nice for Home videos, for anything else, i'd still recommend using a monopod with or without IBIS. Are the X-T3 or GH5s useless today because they lack IBIS? No, people will make great videos with both. So, you're starting to add accessories? Again, I can easily add the Andycine a6 to the Pocket4K to get the tiltable screen. Speaking of adding accessories, you don't need to add any to get good audio into the P4K which you do for the GH series. So your GH5 has already gone up in price by adding the ninja star and Battery Grip. Talking about the Ninja Star, you do realise it's 1080p only right? To fairly compare to the Pocket4k you need to add the NinjaV which is $599USD. Your GH5 with NinjaV and battery grip to get audio now costs $2946USD but has the advantage of AF. The Pocket 4K with monopod and Andycine a6 cost around $1700. Will you be editing your videos? If so, you will need to add another $299 to get resolve for your GH5 making it closer to $3250. The P4K is far easier to use than the OG Pocket you really can't compare. Far better screen and ergonomics make it possible to use handheld. The OG Pocket was way too small to be used in the hand. You really can't put the two cameras in the same category or draw any similarities to them. When I switched to Fuji for stills, I really enjoyed using the camera and this made me want to use it more. In terms of video, so far the Pocket has done the same thing for me. Small package, un fussy menus and a great screen that reward's you instantly when looking at nice shot's. I just want to use it. It's actually less of a toy than most mirrorless cameras and I'm finding it a joy to use professional. It's far quicker to change settings on it than my X-T2 or the A7 series cameras that I have used as B-Cams before. It's by far more of a proper video tool compared to a hybrid but that's just my opinion. The workflow is not hard, you can bake LUTS in if you need quick turnaround or just use the provided BMD Rec709. I don't see how it's any slower. And if you shoot LOG on the GH5, then that still needs grading in post. For anyone reading this, camera brand aside, if you think IBIS and AF are going to make you shoot like a pro and some how magically make your images 'cinematic' ...they won't. 'Out of the box it's useless' ....'need to spend $3000 to make it work'....... 'it's a toy'. Considering you haven't used the camera yet, these are all pretty biased and inaccurate statements that I'd expect to hear out of a Panasonic rep ?

Now thats some commitment to garbage!

Canon Eos 5D Mark ii (2009) Canon Eos R (Fullframe mode) 2018

There is a reason it is Half the price. It has Half the the features of a GH5, GH5s. I bet, even on here, half the people that buy a PK4 will have it for sale in the Sub Section in less than 3 months. You are going to have 3 thousand dollars or more tied up in one to make it really work. Right out of the box it is pretty useless for a modern camera today. And don't give me the ProRes crap. I can buy a 200 dollar Ninja Star and get ProRes on any camera that has a clean HDMI out.. I bet most people on here had the BMPCC at one time and got rid of it. Sure it was a fabulous camera output wise. But it was a Total pain in the ass to use. And the PK4 is not going to be much different. How many people Still have a BMPCC on here. Damn few I bet, and if they do have it they use it less and less. Hey no doubt it is going to have great output if you are good at getting it and can grade well. But that is not going to be a speed demon at doing it. I just find it would work for me, but I just don't see it fitting into most peoples workflow. More of a toy to be honest for most. But nothing wrong with that. I would imagine we all have plenty of toys among us.

Ettr doesn't mean blowing highlights out though. Even doing ETTR on the GH5 to maximize dynamic range with great results. But when I can I center the histogram/waveform to make better use of the baked in gamma curve - which is irrelevant on raw though

I've had this thought for awhile now, and I've kind of held off, because...well, it's your site and you can do and say as you please. With this and all of the BM stuff, you come across as independent, but not necessarily objective. It kind of begs the question, what is the value of independence without objectivity? You and others may disagree with that assessment, but that is pretty much how I read you these days. I'm probably not alone. As with any media being consumed, at least part of the onus is on the consumer to filter and analyze the information. Reveling in the praise of a guy who is a known copyright violator is not a great look either.

The earliest initial impression I had of the EOS R was the rolling shutter. The earliest impressions I had of the Z7 was that it was nicer than my Sony A7R III in the hand, and in terms of the image, and the rolling shutter didn't stand out as anything abnormal, unlike on the EOS R. It just wasn't an issue for me. Ditto on the D850. It wasn't immediately obvious from the get go, the minute I opened the box. So we're 10 minutes into Kai's video, out of 13 minutes and yes it seems there's a 2 second mention. So I should probably give him the benefit of the doubt. But when I watched it the first time just after release as a subscriber to his channel, I am pretty sure it wasn't in. There are such a thing as ninja edits and re-uploads. But let's be clear, I've nothing personal with Kai, he could be a nice guy, but he doesn't help our cause as customers - he doesn't give the problem any gravitas. He's not even a proper reviewer. He's an entertainer. He turns it into a positive in those few seconds of a mention, which are just soft pawing out claims to the effect of the 1080p "has an advantage" because it has less rolling shutter than 4K, 'just like that wonderful best selling 5D IV you all bought'. That's how it comes across to me. It may technically be a 'mention of rolling shutter' but it's not a mention in the sense I meant it in my article - a mention of just how BAD the rolling shutter is on this camera. He just sweeps it under the rug in less than 5 seconds in a 13 minute video and doesn't really criticise it. That's the *whole point* I was making in the article - none of them mentioned the rolling shutter in terms of it being amongst the worst on the market in 2018 and immediately OBVIOUS straight out of the box in 4K. So whilst @jonpais is calling EOSHD "fake news" and telling me how to run the site, perhaps he should realise one thing. I am a bit disappointed by his remarks. All the squabbling on the forums over the past few months from him and the Sony fanboyism in every subject, treating some threads like his own private inbox for chats and arguments, all leave a bitter taste for me because he's a long-time member. He seems to have gone from productive posting in the early days of the forum about Panasonic, up through being rewarded by being promoted to a mod, back down to being a non-mod due to bad behaviour, and now he's cruising for a bruising or even a ban. I just find that incredibly self destructive.

Ouch, feel the burn!

Yeah but what is crazy is the GH5s can shoot up to 192fps without cropping the sensor, anything above that up to 240fps it has a slight sensor crop. But up to 240fps! Impressive. So it is not the sensor in the PK4, it is a sensor processing problem. Too much data to handle I guess with it''s Codec. I don't get why there is so much dislike for the GH5s on this site. It does just about everything you could want. You can put a Speedbooster on it and be a bit larger than s35. So it is a modern day, even better for slo mo camera than a Sony FS700 in a tiny package compared to it. And used they are damn near the same money. And FS700 Color Science is pretty damn terrible to be honest.

My feelings exactly. The 60/120p slow-mo is cool and all, but what about the 24p, 30p? How about showing what it offers in 1080p. One can only hope.

"Attack" is used so often on the internet it's become an attack just to have a different opinion to somebody. Indeed it's not an attack on any YouTuber on that list just to point out they failed and have a responsibility. In my understanding of the language, an attack is when you beat someone up in a bar, for example. I have not yet beat Kai Wong up in a bar.

He better turn it off quick, the plane will crash!!!

Speechless when thinking about the possibilities.

The real issue is that a lot of the top reviewers are gear stokers who cream their pants as soon as they get their hands on something new. They advocate pathetic and rampant consumerism.

X-T1 (2014) X-T3 (2018) Roll on 2022

When you're moving the frame, a longer lens will of course make the contents of the frame move through quicker. Of course even if you use a 35mm equiv. wide frame, completely still on a tripod, stuff can still move in the frame - a sparring boxer, a train, a swift movement from an actor, and trigger the distortion. The important thing is to do comparison tests. All cameras at the same focal length (equivalent, so not all same lens but same FOV), on same tripod, moved at same speed at exact same moment. I just did a test for myself of the Z7 vs EOS R and the Z7 is nowhere near as bad. That is both in 4K (full frame on Z7). I could share it, but you don't deserve it

I’m still holding out for Pentax.

The thing is - if it can do a 4K/UHD 60p readout. Then it should be possible to do a cropped 1080p240 readout as well ( haha being demanding on my side. Maybe it is saved for a future firmware update )

Yes they actually went from bottom of the pile to first in 4 years.

As metadata determines display and native ISO determines exposure you can have usable exposure (not clipping) and unsalable display (clipping). You can’t trust your display when shooting RAW but you can trust Zebras with RAW to show you if you are clipping regardless of what the ISO is set to on the Pocket 4k. I assume you can trust display if you set it to a native ISO (400 or 3200).

You can call it whatever you want. If I read what I think is hypocritical bs, then I'm going to call out who ever said it. I don't care who it is, no one gets a free pass. Now you are being somewhat disingenuous. You sell luts, and you have adds for them on every thread for them. The Forum and your articles (including the rants), drive page loads, and thus add views, it's SEO 101. So please don't try and act like your mother Teresa, or some benevolent parental figure who's just looking out for all of us Yes the forum has educational benefits as just about every other forum on the net does, but you are not the sole person people learn from here. Personally I've probably learned more from other members than I have from you. I know it's a different camera. However i think you missed the point ( @jonpais, and mine ), you didn't mention RS, and now you are saying you didn't mention it because in your opinion it "isn't problematic". DPR has a different view. https://***URL removed***/reviews/nikon-z7-first-impressions-review/7 Should DPR publish and article on their take on your "initial thoughts"?

Haha very true. And all those 3/4 year old cameras hmcindie mentioned did not just come out last week, in the age of fast sensors! The EOS R did.

It was clearly a tongue in cheek joke ffs. I'll leave you to it... wasn't attacking you in the slightest. I like this forum... you've done a good job... but you have seriously thin skin... it is obvious why manufacturers don't reach out to you and it's nothing to do with "telling the truth"... you're just way too erratic and emotional. This is not good in 4k. Same as canon

Really shows off what Raw can do with the PK4.

I uploaded a few ProRes 1080p 24fps in this thread last week.

Better looking footage than any of the BMPCC4K I have seen. I recently rebought the pocket as well. You need an external battery and the IR Cut filter, but once outfitted, the camera is really excellent.

Great footage by the way. They are an amazing camera no doubt. I am sure in the right hands the PK4 can be also.

This is a moving images capturing machine. If anyone cares for a hybrid camera is in the wrong thread. GH5S isn't a good photo taking machine either, but it takes pictures for sure. I thought this is a hard fact clearly understood by everyone already. My hybrid cameras do ok 120fps and in 4 years I have used it just once. My favorite "money making tool", C100 do not either. I used to work in advertising operating specialized high speed cameras, and as YOU mentioned on a little while ago, can't stand slow motion videos at all anymore! In other specilized circumstances we used to rent the FS700, as you already mentioned! Also the AF in my pro video work consists of less than 5% (maybe less than 3%!), even though I work with very good hybrid AF and C100mkII/C300mkII cameras most of the time. The GH AF is not something to talk about, not a strong Panasonic selling point anyway.

O please Andrew how are you any better? Its seems almost any time you think someone has slighted you, you lash out with self destructive negative behavior. As @Drew Allegre mentions the BM fiasco is a good example. Not to mention what I quoted above looks like nothing more than a tit for tat, attempt to make @jonpais look bad. IMO, you deserved to be called out what amounts to a "take down" piece about other reviewers not doing a good enough job, when you yourself didn't mention it in your initial piece/review either.

Is anyone really buying this for the slowmo? It's nice that they threw it in, but I'm more after beefy prores files recorded directly in cam and all the other positives this $1300 camera offers.

From the zoom in the pictures, it seems that the BMPCC4K has actually more resolution than the GH5S. The perceptible difference that leads us to think the opposite is due to the sharpening process in the GH5S that is not applied in the BMPCC4K.

It's a good point... I understand andrew's passion about Canon, but if he wants to position himself as the voice of truth, then he has to put that same passion towards the faults and virtues of all cameras.

what a terrible resolution at 120 fps. I honestly can't get why an awesome hardware intensive codec packed cam cannot do BETTER (less crop and blurry) res at 120 fps. It is not a slow-mo cam I know (and also I don't really like the slow mo hype around) but seriously, it is useless.

Not giving Angry Photographer any more views. It’s not fair to call him Trump because he is not manipulative in that way. But I can’t stand how he uses his channel to pour out unfiltered affect. There is no editorial labour put in whatsoever, just long rant sessions that are constantly contradicting each other. It reminds me of going into a bar and hearing bitter old men ranting about whichever subject without a trace of criticality, just a means to vent ones own frustrations. The subject could be Muslims, the EU or, in his case, some camera. The subject is just a place to project and vent frustration. That such drivel is tolerated is why politics is like a South Park episode at the moment. Rant over

They needed the time stamps and other information in the original report. I suggest making a new one. When ever my videos are stolen its an easy process to get them taken down. But the report needs to be thoroughly filled. EDIT: sorry didn't see the end. Try having a friend do it from their account.

The XT3 fits all your needs. Though I'd probably just get two of them over an A6500. Easy to match. GH5 or S if you need continuous recording.

I know I do not know you Andrew but I heart you, I shoot with a 1dc, 1dxmkii and a c200, I’ll will be using those systems for probably an eternity. Also if you like documentaries I produced one with Werner herzog a couple years ago called “A Gray State” it’s on net flix and it was shot on a magic lantened 5 dmkiii and Sony f5. Thanks for all you do

At least I’m not worried about battery life... my cFast card (128Gb £275) records for three minutes (UHD raw uncompressed 60fps). And I’ve got six Canon LPE6s so I should be ok. Said in jest, obviously. I’ll never record uncompressed raw. And I have 2 500Gb T5s on order. But the other half did seem pleased that she wouldn’t have to sit through more than 180s of my cinematic holiday films!