Jump to content
Yurolov

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K

Recommended Posts

14 hours ago, Kisaha said:

So, yes, I got it in the end. Have no time for tests right now, but I used a CFast card, the Hawk-Woods NFP adapter and the Lens Regain and everything seemed ok.

First of all, can the Lens Regain be connected electronically to the Pocket 4K camera?

The 12-100mm is a disappointment. Wanted it to be my run and gun lens but it is unusable. Very disappointing, wish BM could offer some kind of profile for popular m43 lenses.  I am not sure about other lenses, but with a performance like that this is definitely NOT an m43 camera. 

I will try Canon EF and Viltrox adapters in the next few days.

 

 

 

Why is the 12-100 disappointing? I've also been thinking of getting one for run & gun and lessen the time to switch lenses for travels

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
EOSHD Pro Color for Sony cameras EOSHD Pro LOG for Sony CamerasEOSHD C-LOG and Film Profiles for All Canon DSLRs
1 minute ago, TurboRat said:

Why is the 12-100 disappointing? I've also been thinking of getting one for run & gun and lessen the time to switch lenses for travels

it doesn't have the correcting profiles that most cameras do have for their respective lenses now days. There is not a straight line until you go tele!

I own the lens for GH5 use (which I do not own, but use a lot of times per year) and I was disappointed that I can not really use it with the P4K which is the only m43 camera I own. It was a very expensive lens with excellent run and gun characteristics when used natively, but if you have to correct it in post after shooting, then there is no point..

I am wondering if Olympus and Panasonic are sharing profiles between them, and if it is possible for BlackMagic to do that as well. Is this the case with most m43 lenses, or is it just this?

The Samyangs seem alright, I will try the 70-200mm the next couple of days to see what's the deal with it. I guess that being a tele, it won't have any real issues, and it must be optically superior to the Olympus, but the Olympus is a VERY EXPENSIVE lens, it is not a 500$ lens, I paid 1349euros for it and I was expecting a better performance even without corrections.

How about the 12-60mm Panasonic, or the 12-35mm, or the 12-40 Olympus? Does anyone have any hard facts? I guess the only issue is with zoom lenses, but that's a huge problem which I wish knew about it a few months ago.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Kisaha said:

There are 2 cables included in the Aputure case, one for GH cameras, and another one for older BM cameras, is there a way to connect the P4K with such a cable? (micro USB to usb C maybe?).

It doesn't seem to change focus without it, or am I wrong? I can only change the aperture.

The cables are purely for remotely start/stopping the recording on the camera.

The Pocket4K doesn't have that capability.

The focus control on the EF lens is done between the controller and the mount adapter so should just work.

If the aperture control is working then that proves its communicating with the lens.

At the risk of sounding completely patronising, make sure the switch on the lens is set to AF though ;) 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Kisaha said:

How about the 12-60mm Panasonic, or the 12-35mm, or the 12-40 Olympus? Does anyone have any hard facts? I guess the only issue is with zoom lenses, but that's a huge problem which I wish knew about it a few months ago.

There's nice review from Florense Piovesan, using P4K almost exclusively with 12-35... Several pages up I posted my own test-clip-story  with same combination.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Kisaha said:

 

How about the 12-60mm Panasonic, or the 12-35mm, or the 12-40 Olympus? Does anyone have any hard facts? I guess the only issue is with zoom lenses, but that's a huge problem which I wish knew about it a few months ago.

The Panasonic 12-35mm definitely fisheyes and distorts at 12mm. 
 

i can post the raw, but I had crop in on the wide shot of the fountain in this clip because of the fisheye vignette but you can see the distortion pretty plainly 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There is definitely an issue here with the native m43 lenses. We pay top money for the best zooms, and the performance is not adequate not even for prosumer use.

on another note, I tested the 70-200mm 4f just now with the Viltrox M1 (I have the 2 also) and the camera doesn't communicate with the lens (so no AF or aperture change), but the image seems good enough!

I have a couple EF-S also I could test, that are wider, but I will update the Viltroxes first.

EDIT: 

EF-M1/EF-M2II Version 3.3
Updated Date: 2019-03-21

Update as follows:
1. Fixed the BUG which cannot control the aperture in BMPCC 4K. 

EDIT 2:

Tried a lot of things, 3 adapters (the 2 Viltroxes and the Lens Regain) no EF(-S) AF on any of them. Iris works fine.

Camera has 6.2.1 installed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Kisaha said:

 

Tried a lot of things, 3 adapters (the 2 Viltroxes and the Lens Regain) no EF(-S) AF on any of them. Iris works fine.

 

Unless there have been firmware updates for the other manufacturer's adapters that specifically enable it, it is only the Metabones adapters that have any type of focus control from the Pocket4K.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I posted before, the pl 12-60 is passable at 12mm if there are no important vertical lines in the frame. My old 14-50 4/3 lens is better at 14mm than the new 12-60 at 14 mm. Even my  4/3 14-150 mm is better at 14 mm. Glad I kept my old glass. i am planning to get aMeike12mm for those wide shots.

however, the 12-60 is parfocal, and the old lenses certainly not ...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 10/12/2019 at 7:23 PM, Kisaha said:

There is definitely an issue here with the native m43 lenses. We pay top money for the best zooms, and the performance is not adequate not even for prosumer use.

For the case you maybe missed it (I sold 12-35 and 35-100 and preorder 10-24)... Actually, IMO it seems that with such newcomers m43 cine-usage case becomes even more attractive

http://en.dzofilm.com/index.html

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Kisaha said:

Interesting. Very good prices. Are they any good?

It is just not a run n gun solution.

IDK... To me the most or even only important is precise/smooth manual handling and focusing, and I'm expecting that aberrations will be enough well controlled. But, to be honest, although I understand problem of, say, distorted image at wide focal length, I didn't find that it is so important or distractedly noticeable in moving pictures and movie making for average spectators. What extremely bother me with Panasonic zooms is totally unusable (even for my pretty tolerable criteria) manual focusing. (Granted, I found that 12-35 II has pretty impressive stabilization.) Is it something improved with 10-25 and clutch mechanism, I don't know.

Dzofilm's constructors are promising true parfocal design, and, all in all, true cine lens experience for relatively modest price. I guess that even for such  newcomers  price for FF or APSC counterpart lens will be more similar to Fujinon MK zoom 18-55 (which, of course, doesn't have such UW range). That's why I think that, contrary to death-prediction or afraid by many, it is gold time for m43 movie make aspiring shooters. Simply because of the most important thing - lenses. As much as I've found that Voigts 0.95 lenses are unique regarding value/specs/usability/affordability between all lenses on Earth, it might be that these Dzofilm zooms will match that mark. 

And as Anaconda already mentioned, they are actually pretty small, about 15cm and 1kg what is ideal for run/gun, considering way that I'm using it - combining handheld and quickly shoulder mounting rig. (I simply couldn't stand gimbals, although I tried them, bought and sold several times.)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, IncriminatingPictures said:

This might be an ignorant question, but the above conversation about lens distortion had me wondering, is correcting for the wider lenses something that BM can correct in a firmware upgrade?

To be more precise - look at "Lens Correction" tab at the bottom of Inspector panel in Edit page of Resolve.

And to be even more precise - and I apologize if you already did it - take a look just at most cinematography-wise acclaimed movie from last year production,  The Favorite by Yorgos Lanthimos :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, anonim said:

To be more precise - look at "Lens Correction" tab at the bottom of Inspector panel in Edit page of Resolve.

And to be even more precise - and I apologize if you already did it - take a look just at most cinematography-wise acclaimed movie from last year production,  The Favorite by Yorgos Lanthimos :)

Ha. I guess my question did come across ignorant. As I’m aware lens correction in post is possible.  I guess I was more asking if it being in done in camera was something possible and “better” than the process in post ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
36 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

What is the point having a run n gun lens and have to correct every shot in post?

Well, if you're shooting stuff that can't be reshot and you need flexibility on location, but you have more time in post. 

Or what about then you need very wide and tele shots within 10 seconds of each other? What other option is there for MFT users?

Sure it's not ideal, but I'm fairly sure 12-100 is the only option, and the downside is 45 seconds of extra time in post.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...