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Bit of a strange one today...

Shot 10 clips in 120fps HD mode that when I came to review them later on in the camera didn't actually appear.

Selecting next clip in playback menu just bypassed all 10 of them and went to the next clip that it found that wasn't 120fps.

Checking the Cfast card and they are all there in their correct folders but the camera just doesn't want to play them.

Thinking this might be an undocumented "feature" that wasn't in the manual, I had a scout around and couldn't see anyone having reported or commented on something like this.

So I've just shot another 120fps clip and lo and behold this one plays back in the camera but the other ones still don't.

Very strange.

Anyone else had anything like this ?

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My dear erstwhile member can you please stop attacking John Brawley now. I have long since given up on camera forum arguments so might not be completely up on who is right and who is wrong-evil /

I like the pictures. A lot.  This camera will probably replace the micro cinema camera for me as it’s not much bigger and is much easier to work with.  I didn’t feel as strongly about the 4K

What a shame. Who are these "deep state" BMD insiders that are here pushing an agenda ? Myself and Hook.  Who else ?  What do you guys think, there's a plot and conspiracy ?  You guys don't wat t

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4 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

I’ve not noticed, but maybe you need to be set to record  120 in order to play 120?

 

1 minute ago, Dan Keeble said:

You can play back clips shot with the same project frame rate in the same codec.

Ah...right OK

Putting it into HD mode does indeed make them playable (both 24fps and 120fps clips) and it does indeed have to have the same codec selected as well.

I didn't realise that those settings were an entire system wide mode setting rather than just being for record.

Interesting.

Thanks both.

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EDIT >>>>

I have to say that they could and should come up with a more elegant way of handling this.

Even if it was just a placeholder when you selected the next clip that said "Sorry, You need to change formats to view this clip" then that would be at least something.

As would making any sort of mention of it whatsoever in the user guide.

When I was going through the clips reviewing them and those ones just weren't there my first reaction genuinely was to think "Did I actually press the record button?" ;)

It seems really counter intuitive to have to go and change settings in a record screen to enable playback of a clip.

The chances of you then leaving it on those settings and recording your next clip in possibly not the format you intended (ProRes instead of RAW for example because it was a ProRes clip you were reviewing) seems high to me as well.

 

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2 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

EDIT >>>>

I have to say that they could and should come up with a more elegant way of handling this.

Even if it was just a placeholder when you selected the next clip that said "Sorry, You need to change formats to view this clip" then that would be at least something.

As would making any sort of mention of it whatsoever in the user guide.

When I was going through the clips reviewing them and those ones just weren't there my first reaction genuinely was to think "Did I actually press the record button?" ;)

It seems really counter intuitive to have to go and change settings in a record screen to enable playback of a clip.

The chances of you then leaving it on those settings and recording your next clip in possibly not the format you intended (ProRes instead of RAW for example because it was a ProRes clip you were reviewing) seems high to me as well.

 

It is lame, if "lame" is still a word.

First time seeing something like this.

The crop in 120/100fps is lame too.

I am waiting eagerly for some words about the camera. Tell us!

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8 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

It seems really counter intuitive to have to go and change settings in a record screen to enable playback of a clip.

I might be wrong, but I think the LS300 does the same, if you're set to record in 4k you can't playback HD files. 

if it's not that camera, I'm not sure which one it is, but I've definitely encountered this in the last year and it scared the ish out of me. 

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5 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

I might be wrong, but I think the LS300 does the same, if you're set to record in 4k you can't playback HD files. 

if it's not that camera, I'm not sure which one it is, but I've definitely encountered this in the last year and it scared the ish out of me. 

It does do the same but the mitigation there is that it has a thumbnail substitution system to let you know there is a clip there but that it won't play it either because its corrupt (which it shows as a question mark) or that you need to switch formats (the landscape in a film strip icon).

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That would solve the problem for BM too rather than hiding the clip entirely, which is very disconcerting even when you've had a camera with a similar playback situation like the LS300 let alone anyone coming from a hybrid ;)

With the LS300, I use the A slot SD card for 4K and the B slot one for HD which also helps to sharpen my addled mind and I'm going to replicate that approach with the Pocket4K and use the SD card for 120fps.

With the LS300 of course, the reboot between changing formats also helps reinforce it whereas the instant change when doing the same with the Pocket4K lulled me into a false sense of security !

Ideally, BM will offer an option to automatically change format on playback with it then reverting back to the mode it was in when you exit but LS300 style thumbnails would suffice for now. 

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11 hours ago, Kisaha said:

I am waiting eagerly for some words about the camera. Tell us!

From me ?

I haven't really spent enough time with it to say anything even remotely definitive about it.

What I will say from a positive perspective is that I really like the menu system, I think they've made really good choices with the physical controls and them including false colour (especially when you have it switchable on the function key) offsets the uncertainty one might have about setting accurate exposure on a less than ideal screen and without an EVF.

It is not without its quirks though but I'll need to test it a lot more to understand their impact or whether some of them are just me being stupid ;) 

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On Monday I got a backorder status: still out of stock email from B&H. Then on Wednesday it shipped and it'll arrive on Monday. Preordered at the end of June. 

I ordered (or preordered?) a DEC Vari-ND just now from the US Aputure store. Had to pick Paypal as the payment method to advance to checkout, but I think I could have switched to credit on the checkout page. I've been on shoots with the FS5 and the variable ND behind the lens is super handy.

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2 hours ago, kinswick said:

On Monday I got a backorder status: still out of stock email from B&H. Then on Wednesday it shipped and it'll arrive on Monday. Preordered at the end of June. 

I ordered (or preordered?) a DEC Vari-ND just now from the US Aputure store. Had to pick Paypal as the payment method to advance to checkout, but I think I could have switched to credit on the checkout page. I've been on shoots with the FS5 and the variable ND behind the lens is super handy.

I preordered from CVP at May 1st and it looks like there still are a couple of hundred people before me. 

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12 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

From me ?

I haven't really spent enough time with it to say anything even remotely definitive about it.

What I will say from a positive perspective is that I really like the menu system, I think they've made really good choices with the physical controls and them including false colour (especially when you have it switchable on the function key) offsets the uncertainty one might have about setting accurate exposure on a less than ideal screen and without an EVF.

It is not without its quirks though but I'll need to test it a lot more to understand their impact or whether some of them are just me being stupid ;) 

Yes the menus are fantastic, the general control layout - I did not realise this until today when I finally put it in my hand - is lovely. Much nicer than I expected. Even the polycarbonate plastic construction doesn't bother me. If anything it's good, because it makes for a very lightweight construction. This is a big camera by mirrorless standards but a TINY and light on by pro video standards, let alone cinema RAW proportions.

Yes there are baffling decisions going on but a lot of common sense too. I still do not like Blackmagic's launch strategy and initial shipping quantities, it is ridiculous to be tormented for months with a mix of teasing and social media hype - I almost went mad - but believe me it is worth the wait. Again like BTM says, far from perfect, or without quirks - but it is different to anything else I own and a worthy upgrade from the original - in fact it is SIGNIFICANTLY better than that first camera in every way. Something I did not realise until I actually turned up.

I am going to have so many words to eat from this thread, I'll probably choke to death.

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55 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Yes the menus are fantastic, the general control layout - I did not realise this until today when I finally put it in my hand - is lovely. Much nicer than I expected. Even the polycarbonate plastic construction doesn't bother me. If anything it's good, because it makes for a very lightweight construction. This is a big camera by mirrorless standards but a TINY and light on by pro video standards, let alone cinema RAW proportions.

Yes there are baffling decisions going on but a lot of common sense too. I still do not like Blackmagic's launch strategy and initial shipping quantities, it is ridiculous to be tormented for months with a mix of teasing and social media hype - I almost went mad - but believe me it is worth the wait. Again like BTM says, far from perfect, or without quirks - but it is different to anything else I own and a worthy upgrade from the original - in fact it is SIGNIFICANTLY better than that first camera in every way. Something I did not realise until I actually turned up.

I am going to have so many words to eat from this thread, I'll probably choke to death.

I didn’t really care about the “outrage”, just glad you (just like me) got it in your hands finally. It’s a fantastic piece of tech that fulfills more than just my needs to shoot video. How did you end up getting it by the way, I don’t know if I missed it in this thread? Did BMD cave?

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