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4 minutes ago, helium said:

Only if what you're shooting is unconnected street or nature scenes and you're using it like a stills camera.  Otherwise, the best practice for this camera is to expose for the subject, as you would with any cinema camera.  

No the best practice is to relate the brightness range of your scene to DR of the camera and make any necessary compromises to areas that fall outside it with regards to highlight clipping and /or noise floor. You can use ETTR, histogram, false colour etc or all of them. ETTR or 'exposing for the subject' are not correct for every scenario.

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My dear erstwhile member can you please stop attacking John Brawley now. I have long since given up on camera forum arguments so might not be completely up on who is right and who is wrong-evil /

I like the pictures. A lot.  This camera will probably replace the micro cinema camera for me as it’s not much bigger and is much easier to work with.  I didn’t feel as strongly about the 4K

What a shame. Who are these "deep state" BMD insiders that are here pushing an agenda ? Myself and Hook.  Who else ?  What do you guys think, there's a plot and conspiracy ?  You guys don't wat t

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33 minutes ago, Shirozina said:

No the best practice is to relate the brightness range of your scene to DR of the camera and make any necessary compromises to areas that fall outside it with regards to highlight clipping and /or noise floor. You can use ETTR, histogram, false colour etc or all of them. ETTR or 'exposing for the subject' are not correct for every scenario.

Yeah, well, that's a basic presumption of cinema lighting -- you light the scene.  But you expose for the subject.  If there's no lighting, then we're back to the more haphazard approach of available light stills photography, where the best compromise is sought.

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3 minutes ago, helium said:

Yeah, well, that's a basic presumption of cinema lighting -- you light the scene.  But you expose for the subject.

Sorry I missed that option. When you have full control of the lighting in the scene you adjust that to best fit the DR of your chosen camera with no need to compromise on anything!

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22 minutes ago, Shirozina said:

Sorry I missed that option. When you have full control of the lighting in the scene you adjust that to best fit the DR of your chosen camera with no need to compromise on anything!

I'm sorry you did too.  What I didn't realize was that the 300+ pages here contemplate using this camera in uncontrolled conditions, and not shooting anything that *must* be exposed correctly and consistently -- you know, like faces.  

Perhaps there might be better camera choices for that sort of photography?

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LOL Of course : ) Nuts now. WTH is that?? : D How have you arrived to such fine conclusion? : ))

There's no one shooting style. Yeah, right. Thanks for the information : P

Sorry for the irony. I've just found funny. Hey, I also want to apologize myself. Me included, to be here as well : -)

 

PS: A final note, though. Old school is done. Media convergence, introduction of large sensors, lightweight tools, from early last decade $100,000 to $1000 price range for S35 acquisition and so on. It is late 2018 today, folks!

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24 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

LOL Of course : ) Nuts now. WTH is that?? : D How have you arrived to such fine conclusion? : ))

There's no one shooting style. Yeah, right. Thanks for the information : P

Sorry for the irony. I've just found funny. Hey, I also want to apologize myself. Me included, to be here as well : -)

 

PS: A final note, though. Old school is done. Media convergence, introduction of large sensors, lightweight tools, from early last decade $100,000 to $1000 price range for S35 acquisition and so on. It is late 2018 today, folks!

If anyone's LOL, it's BMD.  They're selling thousands of "cinema" cameras, with no run and gun conveniences, to people who'll be shooting nothing but crowds, skylines, receding tail-lights and slomo gimbal reviews.  

 

And all ETTR.  Sounds great, from the marketing point of view.

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8 minutes ago, helium said:

If anyone's LOL, it's BMD.  They're selling thousands of "cinema" cameras, with no run and gun conveniences, to people who'll be shooting nothing but crowds, skylines, receding tail-lights and slomo gimbal reviews.  

 

And all ETTR.  Sounds great, from the marketing point of view.

They are even calling them 'cinema' cameras and not 'run and gun' cameras - truly sickening.......

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I've been waiting on buying a gimbal until the Ronin S is updated so the focus wheel can work with this camera - however, I just thought that since the focus on that gimbal is via the USB on the camera, and the camera then controls the focus, that likely means that adapted lenses won't be compatable... right?

If tap to focus doesn't work with a speedbooster, then chances are this 'software' follow focus also won't work. Would it then be better to get the Crane 2 as their 'hardware' / mechanical follow focus is now included for free.

Yes you'll have part of the gimbal blocking your screen, but that's far easier to work around than the Ronin's focus issues (if there are any with adapted lenses).

Or am I missing something and there's an even better solution?

 

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11 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

I've been waiting on buying a gimbal until the Ronin S is updated so the focus wheel can work with this camera - however, I just thought that since the focus on that gimbal is via the USB on the camera, and the camera then controls the focus, that likely means that adapted lenses won't be compatable... right?

If tap to focus doesn't work with a speedbooster, then chances are this 'software' follow focus also won't work. Would it then be better to get the Crane 2 as their 'hardware' / mechanical follow focus is now included for free.

Yes you'll have part of the gimbal blocking your screen, but that's far easier to work around than the Ronin's focus issues (if there are any with adapted lenses).

Or am I missing something and there's an even better solution?

 

The Ronin S controls focus on the other cameras using the MTP protocol over USB, so that won't be an option with the Pocket4K.

BM's own camera control protocol runs over SDI and latterly Bluetooth LE. The former isn't an option for the Pocket4K but the latter is.

The Ronin S does have Bluetooth LE (to talk to its app) so that would be a viable way to do it but BM's remote focus control isn't particularly elaborate (just near and far in 1 step increments) so even if DJI implement it then I'm not sure how well it will translate to that wheel.

 

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1 hour ago, Anaconda_ said:

I've been waiting on buying a gimbal until the Ronin S is updated so the focus wheel can work with this camera - however, I just thought that since the focus on that gimbal is via the USB on the camera, and the camera then controls the focus, that likely means that adapted lenses won't be compatable... right?

If tap to focus doesn't work with a speedbooster, then chances are this 'software' follow focus also won't work. Would it then be better to get the Crane 2 as their 'hardware' / mechanical follow focus is now included for free.

Yes you'll have part of the gimbal blocking your screen, but that's far easier to work around than the Ronin's focus issues (if there are any with adapted lenses).

Or am I missing something and there's an even better solution?

 

Dji is supposed to release a focus motor that will allow the Ronin-s to focus virtually any camera. 

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