Jump to content
Yurolov

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K

Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, Lenscamera said:

Is this picture of the new version? 

From the video below, you could also adjust the 1st version on the interface unit and also the grip so I am not very sure what's new on this version 2. Plus their website says $699 and if you click on the Buy Now link, it takes you to buy it for $249, at least for their US store. 

 

No, it is of the original version, which I have had for a long time.

Such a long time in fact that it looks like it might be a Version 0 as it definitely doesn't have the adjustment capability from interface unit but.....

The site that it is listed on as V2 and for €682 was this European one here

https://aputureshop.eu/dec-lensregain.html

However.....looking closer at that site, although its branding makes it look like the official Aputure online store, I suspect its actually a distributor rather than Aputure themselves and that that listing is quite old.

On the official Aputure European store here, it is indeed still showing out of stock

https://eu.aputure.com/collections/follow-focus

That other site has muddied the waters calling it V2 and listing it as a 'new' product when in actual fact it has been that way for quite a while (unbeknown to me with my original one !).

As I said in the post, it does seem to still be available in the US store and if they ship outside of the US then it would certainly be worth the import duty and shipping to the EU.

The $249 price is for the vari ND version by the way (which doesn't have focal reduction), the focal reducer version that I am referring to is listed as $149.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
EOSHD Pro Color for Sony cameras EOSHD Pro LOG for Sony CamerasEOSHD C-LOG and Film Profiles for All Canon DSLRs
12 minutes ago, thephoenix said:

seems like we might have some new speedboosters coming soon as vigneting is pretty strong on all of them

Pretty insignificant to slight on all of them apart from the x64 I'd say - wouldn't call it strong at all. I'd not be in a hurry to change my EF-M2.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
29 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

No, it is of the original version, which I have had for a long time.

Such a long time in fact that it looks like it might be a Version 0 as it definitely doesn't have the adjustment capability from interface unit but.....

The site that it is listed on as V2 and for €682 was this European one here

https://aputureshop.eu/dec-lensregain.html

However.....looking closer at that site, although its branding makes it look like the official Aputure online store, I suspect its actually a distributor rather than Aputure themselves and that that listing is quite old.

On the official Aputure European store here, it is indeed still showing out of stock

https://eu.aputure.com/collections/follow-focus

That other site has muddied the waters calling it V2 and listing it as a 'new' product when in actual fact it has been that way for quite a while (unbeknown to me with my original one !).

As I said in the post, it does seem to still be available in the US store and if they ship outside of the US then it would certainly be worth the import duty and shipping to the EU.

The $249 price is for the vari ND version by the way (which doesn't have focal reduction), the focal reducer version that I am referring to is listed as $149.

Got it! I was talking about the vari ND thinking that's what you were referring in your original post. I have been researching their current vari ND and I hope they also have a new version coming or in the works to address some of it issues. Even though I don't have one, I know I will appreciate it's ease of use especially as I always shoot on location in really sunny environments. 

How I wish a camera manufacture will include vari ND in the body of a mirrorless body. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Lenscamera said:

How I wish a camera manufacture will include vari ND in the body of a mirrorless body. 

that would be great.

too bad also you have to choose between vari nd with focus and speedbooster and focus, would love to have vari nd with focus and speedbooster

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, thephoenix said:

that would be great.

too bad also you have to choose between vari nd with focus and speedbooster and focus, would love to have vari nd with focus and speedbooster

Very true, that will be a great product especially for the BMPCC4K! I will pay them even the $1300 for that. But my guess is the high price they will have to charge for it might not generate enough sales. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Lenscamera said:

Very true, that will be a great product especially for the BMPCC4K! I will pay them even the $1300 for that. But my guess is the high price they will have to charge for it might not generate enough sales. 

please don't give them ideas like that on pricing 😄

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You wouldn't want a trad. vari-nd in your camera body. It doesn't have a 'clear' setting and it messes with reflections. Unless we are talking electronic ND or a filter wheel. I am really surprised the FS5 is still the only e-ND on the market, must be a Sony exclusive tech!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

(Ignore the small tripod in the shot obviously as it was just used to stand it up for the picture)

Actually, I think that the tripod might be the most significant piece of equipment in this entire conversation.

So far I have seen only a couple of videos where I can appreciate the IQ, with the rest of them leaving me wondering if this camera automatically gives you Parkinsons as soon as you hit record.

I spend the whole time thinking things like "It looks sunny, but maybe the wind is really cold" .... "other people don't seem to be dressed warmly either" .... "it is high up, so maybe they ran up the hill" .... "the girl being filmed looks healthy, so they're probably not going through withdrawal" ....

I wish I was joking!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
35 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

$1200 is not bad considering who it is aimed at and the Titanium PL adapter it comes inside.

So I ask again, wonder what is stopping more adapters like this one?

Tech clearly exists dunnit!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

$1200 is not bad considering who it is aimed at and the Titanium PL adapter it comes inside.

So I ask again, wonder what is stopping more adapters like this one?

Tech clearly exists dunnit!

Yeah for a Red item it is dirt cheap! I have no clue why Everyone isn't doing it on Mirrorless. Maybe the new Panasonic FF might have it?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

You wouldn't want a trad. vari-nd in your camera body. It doesn't have a 'clear' setting and it messes with reflections. Unless we are talking electronic ND or a filter wheel. I am really surprised the FS5 is still the only e-ND on the market, must be a Sony exclusive tech!

Yah referring to the electronic vari ND.

I was wondering same thing too, and maybe it's some exclusive Sony tech. I still hold some hopes that Sony is gonna surprise us and include it in the up coming A7S III. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

$1200 is not bad considering who it is aimed at and the Titanium PL adapter it comes inside.

So I ask again, wonder what is stopping more adapters like this one?

Tech clearly exists dunnit!

It existed a while ago....Genus showed a prototype years ago.......

https://petapixel.com/2015/09/17/this-is-a-prototype-of-an-electronically-controlled-nd-filter-lens-adapter/

It would be interesting to find out why nothing came of it, was the tech/ patent bought out by someone or is the tech just not financially viable in a lens adaptor?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Can't believe you've all forgotten about my prototype electronic variable ND from the summer.

If I'd known you were all prepared to pay $1200 for one I probably would have prioritised it a bit more! 

Shall we say $800 and pretend that cardboard and electrical tape are the new carbon fibre?

Joking aside, its not some massive undertaking for a company to make one as the technology is readily available and fairly cheap.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, kye said:

Actually, I think that the tripod might be the most significant piece of equipment in this entire conversation.

So far I have seen only a couple of videos where I can appreciate the IQ, with the rest of them leaving me wondering if this camera automatically gives you Parkinsons as soon as you hit record.

I think its a bit of a double whammy in that gimbal options for the Pocket4K (as you can see from this thread and the separate one) are a bit sketchy at the moment as is the lack of IS on a lot of the lenses people are using.

The Sigma 18-35mm has become pretty much the de-facto "standard" lens over the past few years and whilst it's lack of IS didn't really matter that much as the camera it was mounted to had IBIS and/or was on a gimbal, it really does matter when neither of those avenues are available.

That's why I think people might want to consider options like that cheap Tamron and the like if they are going to be shooting handheld as, pragmatically speaking, the IS arguably matters more in that context than the pure optical performance advantage of something like the 18-35mm that doesn't have it.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
24 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

The Sigma 18-35mm has become pretty much the de-facto "standard" lens over the past few years and whilst it's lack of IS didn't really matter that much as the camera it was mounted to had IBIS and/or was on a gimbal, it really does matter when neither of those avenues are available.

That's why I think people might want to consider options like that cheap Tamron and the like if they are going to be shooting handheld as, pragmatically speaking, the IS arguably matters more in that context than the pure optical performance advantage of something like the 18-35mm that doesn't have it.

IBIS is not a panacea. It is different than lens IS or a tripod.

I like some lenses to have IS for run n gun and what not. It is very interesting that you suggest the cheap Tamron, how good is the IS? And the touch focus?

The NX 16-50S is 2-2.8f, so it is wider, equally fast in the same focal lengths and a lot more tele, while its stabilization is very very good. 18-35mm is very limited for run n gun.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

IBIS is not a panacea. It is different than lens IS or a tripod.

I like some lenses to have IS for run n gun and what not. It is very interesting that you suggest the cheap Tamron, how good is the IS? And the touch focus?

The NX 16-50S is 2-2.8f, so it is wider, equally fast in the same focal lengths and a lot more tele, while its stabilization is very very good. 18-35mm is very limited for run n gun.

IBiS can create weird warping effects at the frame edges with wide lenses. It's really a stills feature to prevent camera shake.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

IBIS is not a panacea. It is different than lens IS or a tripod.

I like some lenses to have IS for run n gun and what not. It is very interesting that you suggest the cheap Tamron, how good is the IS? And the touch focus?

The problem with IBIS is that there is a lot going on under the hood with a lot of cameras regarding lens corrections that can often end up interacting in a negative way when you add the additional corrections from IBIS so its by no means a magic bullet and is dependent on the camera and lens combo on an individual basis.

What I would like to see is manufacturer's doing an integral SteadXP type of option where instead of making the corrections in real time (which are permanent and destructive) the camera instead writes the parameters for the corrections it would have made within the video file.  That way they could then have a plug in where you could fine tune the correction in post.

With regard to the Tamron, like every other adapted lens with the Pocket4K, it offers no AF whatsoever from the camera. ***

So, in this case, all of the focus control of it is driven from the LensRegain handle. It actually more practical this way anyway as it means you can do focus control whilst its recording without disturbing the camera as even with the lightest touch you are going to cause a vibration using the touch screen to do it. Plus, of course, you get the advantage of being able to use the A/B memories on the grip to do pulls to with the transition speed being constantly variable on the controller as you are doing them. 

It also means that when you swap lenses you don't have to mess about re-aligning the focus gears and recalibrating the lens as you do with a servo based system, plus of course you don't have to have a rail system to mount it on. If you then got a gimbal, you could of course just mount the controller to the base of that or an accessory bar and still use it.

With regard to the IS on the Tamron, its perfectly adequate for its focal length and combined with the controller grip mounted as I have it for support its actually a pretty neat system.

At the price they were flogging the LensRegain off for (and still are in the US) and how cheap that lens is used, the whole thing amounts to an f1.8 24-70mm equivalent stabilised lens with electronic follow focus for less than £300.

More than enough money left over for a decent tripod ;) 

 

*** If anyone has an EF adapter that DOES work for AF with the Pocket4K then I'm all ears.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, BTM_Pix said:

Can't believe you've all forgotten about my prototype electronic variable ND from the summer.

If I'd known you were all prepared to pay $1200 for one I probably would have prioritised it a bit more! 

Shall we say $800 and pretend that cardboard and electrical tape are the new carbon fibre?

 

only if you laquer up the cardboard first, and i'm not pre ordering either  😎

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...