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By John Matthews · Posted
Granted the title of the thread is "Panasonic GH7". However, invariably with any camera release that is not full frame, the discussion goes only to sensor size and how inferior the sensor is because it's not FF. It's quite ludicrous. This might sound crazy, but usually have better discussion about aesthetics, creativity and productivity with ChatGPT. Sure, it can be predictable sometimes, but I seem to always learn something and it can point me in the right direction. When talking to humans, it would seem there are always games being played: Trolling, Sock Puppetry, Brigading, Flame Wars, Sealioning, Astroturfing, Gaslighting, Spamming, Doxxing, Dogpiling, Shitposting, and Griefing. With ChatGPT, you never have the feeling you might lose something and true discussion can actually happen. I know, it's a sad state of affairs, but that's life on the internet. Fortunately, there are people don't do any of those things. -
By eatstoomuchjam · Posted
The look of the Fuji GFX system? Sure, but that's not common to all medium format. The 110/2 wouldn't even come close to covering a 6x9cm negative (doubt it would even cover 6x4.5cm). If excellent lenses are part of the look, I have an old Schneider Angulon 47mm somewhere around here that would defy any suggestion that every lens made for medium format is excellent. Like the Angulon 47mm? How about the meniscus lenses in old Kodak box cameras? They're medium format and kind of terrible (sometimes in a charming way). Or something like an old Duaflex? I ran some film through one of them once. Looked pretty different to what I get from my Mamiya 7 which, in turn, looks pretty different to what I used to get from my RB67 which didn't look that much like what I used to get from my Fuji GSW 690 III. It's easy. Go anywhere where you can search user images by a format (flickr used to be good for this, not sure about now). Look up every image taken between a 6x4.5cm and 6x17cm camera of every type. Is there any common thing that makes all of those images look the same? I can save you the time. There isn't. If there is a medium format look and I am capturing images on 6x6, 6x7, 6x9, 6x12, and 6x17cm film, there shouldn't be anything about my style that would prevent me from capturing it. We're talking about something described as "medium format look." It's hard to get more "medium format" than a 6x7cm or 6x9cm negative. -
By eatstoomuchjam · Posted
Repeatedly by multiple people. References to "the medium format look" are, in fact, how this discussion started. It didn't metastasize from out of nowhere. Camera movements are not unique to any format. They are just more common on larger formats where they are useful for restoring some depth of field. Tilt-shift lenses exist for smaller formats, giving some of the more commonly used camera movements. Otherwise, as previously mentioned, I can easily mount a smaller format camera on the back of a 4x5 and have access to the full movements of that camera. Plus there are numerous medium and large format cameras that supported extremely limited (or no) movements. Glad to talk about creativity and aesthetics, but that can be done without resorting to the use of phony useless phrases which cannot be defined and which have different meanings to just about everybody participating in the discussion. -
I must admit, this thread really makes me laugh. No wonder there are no creative or aesthetic discussions here - not only do people not want to talk about it but they refuse to believe these things even exist, and if they don't believe in it then they will shout down anyone that even mentions it. I've been spending my time more and more elsewhere and I can tell you, there are places where people discuss aesthetics, creativity, productivity, and try and help each other out and encourage each other. -
about lf or mf look, my personal experience on some historical photos by lf 8x10 technical cameras are much more elegant than those taken by modern phone or crop sensor cameras, on the same scene, buildings, streets, landscape. at first, I did not know why those historical photos are so grandiose, now I think large format contributes to it, also the camera movements help.
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