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9 minutes ago, Luke Mason said:

It's a Sony BSI sensor, IMX294CJK, used in GH5S. The DR is about 12.7EV at base gain. The high gain setting loses a bit DR in exchange for low noise, it's clean af!

It’s clean af when you have noise reduction and sharpening. ProRes won’t have that. Trust me, you may get a little more wiggle room but this camera will not be as clean as an a7s or a GH5s at high ISOs and you will lose DR the further away from base... a noticeable amount. 

Not to mention, has it been confirmed that this is the sensor... because so far I believe it’s just conjecture... although likely. 

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I agree and the ISO won’t matter, as much, with Raw anyway. But with ProRes, you will not have 13 stops of DR at ISO 12,800... you’ll be lucky to have 9 or 10 stops and your shadows will be a hot mess.

Now we’ll probably get a little more wiggle room than we had with the original Pocket, but I wouldn’t expect miracles.

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Right at one stop away from Base ISO... at two stops or more, I don’t think they’ll be as clean. Most people who shot with the original Pocket would never change their ISO from 800 when shooting ProRes. And with Raw, you could change it all you wanted but the ISO was 800. Again, I assume it will be better but this won’t be an a7s or GH5s.

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nobody has even shot with this camera or seen actual footage yet you guys sure seem sure about it's IQ.. impressive!

not to be a party pooper but BMD don't exactly hold a perfect track record. remember the FPN issues with BMPC/UM 4K.. or the magenta cast issue on the UM4.6K sensor that had people sending them back? i mean i sure hope BMD have learned from their mistakes but at this point all we got is a shown prototype not even in the final material!

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Just now, Django said:

nobody has even shot with this camera or seen actual footage yet you guys sure seem sure about it's IQ.. impressive!

Very true.

I guess the only thing where blackmagic was more consistent was it's image quality.

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3 minutes ago, mercer said:

Right at one stop away from Base ISO... at two stops or more, I don’t think they’ll be as clean. Most people who shot with the original Pocket would never change their ISO from 800 when shooting ProRes. And with Raw, you could change it all you wanted but the ISO was 800. Again, I assume it will be better but this won’t be an a7s or GH5s.

This is nothing like the original Pocket, everything is different, a lot of years later, from a vastly more mature manufacturer that seems to make all the right things lately (from post to production, from software to hardware). I am expecting to see some footage first, but I am expecting this camera to be vastly superior to the original, and the image was great, even then.

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I fervently agree. I am as excited as hell for this camera... even though I’ll wait until they’re readily available to buy one.

I was just trying to make a point that it’s possible that this camera’s specs, specifically high ISO, won’t live up to the expectations. These, all BM, cameras have quirks and issues like magenta casts, fixed pattern noise, black hole sun, deadlines not being met... so I hope people are prepared for this instead of jumping on board and expecting something this won’t be and then spreading hatred because their unrealistic expectations weren’t met.

I mean, hell there are already posts questioning and hoping for great AF... I can tell you right now... it won’t be good. 

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Is it common outcome that after presentation of "final" product and open pre-order selling still rest so much unanswered questions? It is not rhetorically question - simply I've never paid to much attention on usual promotional behavior...

But here I noticed that several visitors confirm the same - to quote one of them: "Blackmagic people were unwilling to say anything on camera." I don't understand why.

Am I wrong when it seems to me that at the moment we really dispose mostly with glaring promises which, of course, all of us greatly respect and wish or longing for - but we actually know very little how efficiently they will be implemented? Because we saw so little of examples of promised look and implementation?

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5 minutes ago, mercer said:

So I hope people are prepared for this instead of jumping on board and expecting something this won’t be and then spreading hatred because their unrealistic expectations weren’t met.

I think you are completely disregarding the fact Tim Berners-Lee invented the world wide web for precisely that though.

We live for the let down and the entitlement fuelled ranting ;)

 

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@anonim my guess is the prototype was barely made ready in time for NAB (may i remind the rubber port cover that broke off during grant's presentation lol). pretty sure they aren't saying much because they themselves probably haven't had a chance to see/do much with it. it's pretty much specs & a prototype at this point i think.

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I'm excited about this announcement as well, the original Pocket was a fun camera and the specs are really awesome on the BMP4k. But I'd like to see a functioning camera in use and the image it produces before ordering. If they haven't started producing them yet, there will certainly be teething issues with actual production samples. Its still weird they have a website full of photos of the P4k in use, but nothing actually shot by the camera itself.

Chris

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