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1 hour ago, IronFilm said:


A solid case is made for that. 

But the only downside I might see of that dual camera set up is GH5 & BMPCC4K might not match as easily for quick turn arounds as using two Panasonic cameras together in a two camera shoot. 

 

I think the commonality of the sensor between the two will potentially make that less challenging.

With the ability to bake in a LUT on the BMPCC4K there does present an opportunity to have it produce out of camera footage that matches Panasonic's internal profiles more closely. Some sort of unifying LUT for the BMPCC4K, such as a version of the Leeming LUT for it, would have potential.

Plus, of course, by then Panasonic will have yielded to public pressure and enabled RAW through HDMI for the GH5 ;)

 

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7 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I think the commonality of the sensor between the two will potentially make that less challenging.

With the ability to bake in a LUT on the BMPCC4K there does present an opportunity to have it produce out of camera footage that matches Panasonic's internal profiles more closely. Some sort of unifying LUT for the BMPCC4K, such as a version of the Leeming LUT for it, would have potential.

Plus, of course, by then Panasonic will have yielded to public pressure and enabled RAW through HDMI for the GH5 ;)

 

Precisely. Paul Leeming has already promised to make a LUT for the Pocket 4K.

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2 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Precisely. Paul Leeming has already promised to make a LUT for the Pocket 4K.

That's brilliant, I assumed he would, but didn't know he already promised. In theory then, you can make the BMPCC4KiiABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ and any other camera match up pretty well with just a few clicks, and fine tune from there. Luckily you can't be understocked for LUTs because I think that's going to sell very well.

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16 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Agreed with him, internal NDs is the big feature missing from the BMPCC4K

I think that's being unreasonable. For the buck, they are already giving WAY more than anyone else.  

 

5 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

Plus, of course, by then Panasonic will have yielded to public pressure and enabled RAW through HDMI for the GH5 ;)

I doubt that. They are happy offering ProRes or whatever else by the HDMI out. If Panasonic feels the heat (which nobody would really deny) they may reduce prices of their GH line. Other manufacturers may not really feel the pinch, because a lot of those don't really make the cut due to the 10-bit 4-2-2 mandate Netflix and other VoD and Broadcasters, and the limited recording times on those cameras are also a huge let down. I am guessing sales of the A7s series will be hit, because it too does good low light (much better), and it too has limited functionaliy as a photo shooting stills camera. 

Therefore, in essence, the BMPCCii has targetted the GH5 and GH5s' customers.

Curiously having RAW via HDMI won't solve the problem. The Price Difference is too great.

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1 hour ago, Snowfun said:

The Bluetooth feature... I so want to post a picture on reduser of me controlling the Pocket 4K using a Hydrogen...

On a more serious note, what sort of remote control might we anticipate?

It is the same protocol as the Ursa and BMD have already released the documents so there is nothing stopping someone working on products for it now in time to be ready for launch.

It is Bluetooth LE so is much easier to talk to directly from cheap single board computers if someone wants to make a hardware controller.

So you can expect anything from phone apps, basic start/stop triggers to full blown hand grips full of buttons mapped to all controls.

 

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1 hour ago, jonpais said:

If I may chime in about crowdfunding flavors, for the life of me, I can't see how announcing the Pocket 4K five months in advance is going to prevent anyone from purchasing another camera. $1,300.00 is chump change.

My point is company behavior - when A7 III or GH5 s were anounced, we already have many footage from testers to judge quality, and delaying time was not too long.  Now we have half a year of promise and still not a single footage. Why then so hurry to preorder it? In what phase of development is new GH6 after two year of finishing GH5 - or A7S III... and what we will think about Panasonic if they come with prototype model and ask to preorder it somewhere about autumn?

It is not correct, or it is just new flavor of crowfunding - i. e. crowd funding something... time. Black magic is parasience based on de/reconstruction time and space :)

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12 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

I'm wondering if you can have a baked in LUT on the HDMI output whilst simultaneously recording RAW without one?

It offers some interesting possibilities if you can....


I'd assume/hope so, as that is just an extremely normal workflow for many MANY productions. 

Record raw/log for the best results, but apply a LUT on the image you sent to the client monitor so that they don't freak out! :grimace:

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1 minute ago, sanveer said:

I doubt that. They are happy offering ProRes or whatever else by the HDMI out. .

I thought the wink thing would've got the point across that I wasn't entirely serious?

2 minutes ago, sanveer said:

Curiously having RAW via HDMI won't solve the problem. The Price Difference is too great.

It would do in terms of @IronFilm 's point that I was actually answering regarding how you would match the BMPCC4K and a GH5 if you had both.

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22 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I think the commonality of the sensor between the two will potentially make that less challenging.


The GH5 and BMPCC5K sensor are very different? It is the GH5S and BMPCC4K sensors which have a similarity. 

 

12 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

There is a lot of people on here that have got, or owned the original BMPCC. I had one myself and have kicked myself in the ass for ever selling it.You just have to have used one to appreciate how fabulous the output on them were, are. And this camera makes it look like a model T.

They are not made to run around like a chicken with your head cut off, they are a slow and steady as you go camera. They are mostly a tripod camera to get the best out of them, just like any Cine camera has to be for the most part. Sure there are rigs for them but they really were a pain in the butt to use. They have a look like no other camera under 5000 bucks or more. And this new one is even WAY better. Beating 10,000 dollar cameras.

(emphasis mine)

I've used the BMPCC almost naked while running around like a headless chicken at weddings. 

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12 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Or RAW to CFast card and ProRes to SD card both internally. I'd like that.

 Raw to the CFast and 720P ProRes Proxy files to the SD card for folks like me who have a totally useless PC to edit on with a proxy workflow. 

 

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7 minutes ago, IronFilm said:


I'd assume/hope so, as that is just an extremely normal workflow for many MANY productions. 

Record raw/log for the best results, but apply a LUT on the image you sent to the client monitor so that they don't freak out! :grimace:

The Ursa Mini Pro can have a different LUT on each of its monitoring outputs so I'm hopeful too but I suppose its another wait and see.

12 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

I've used the BMPCC almost naked while running around like a headless chicken at weddings. 

Its the pluralisation of wedding that concerns me most about that statement !

 

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3 hours ago, Jim Giberti said:

Agree this makes no sense. ProRes is a pretty primary feature of all BM cameras and it has the other flavors now.

Plus FCPX is about to release the new update w/ ProRes RAW. I can't imagine they don't want to encourage as many cameras and users as possibe to use it.

EDIT:  this information was covered by a prior post in this stream.   No need to read this,

 

The rumored is that Atomos has a period of exclusive use. Hence Apple cannot license ProRes RAW to BM. 

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12 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

If it does RAW over USB C at same time as ProRes to card... That would be an easy solution.

I have a feeling one might switch off though, otherwise it becomes a Pocket grenade.

I've got no idea whether this is relevant or not, or whether the question's already been answered, but John Brawley says 

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Dual recording will never happen on any current BMD hardware. The way each recording codec runs on it’s own firmware and the way that works is that it has to reboot a different firmware when you change a codec or resolution or project frame rate. 

Notice when you you change a codec setting it’s a couple of seconds to get back to the live image ? That’s your camera re-starting :-). It just happens so fast few realise that’s what’s going on.

 

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9 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

The Ursa Mini Pro can have a different LUT on each of its monitoring outputs so I'm hopeful too but I suppose its another wait and see.


Is a pity it doesn't have more than one output from the BMPCC4K, as then you could have a LUT on one output for the client and no LUT for your own monitoring. 

2 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Dual recording will never happen on any current BMD hardware. The way each recording codec runs on it’s own firmware and the way that works is that it has to reboot a different firmware when you change a codec or resolution or project frame rate. 

Notice when you you change a codec setting it’s a couple of seconds to get back to the live image ? That’s your camera re-starting :-). It just happens so fast few realise that’s what’s going on.


Damn it!

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2 hours ago, anonim said:

Thanks for clarification :) As I wrote, and to repeat total nonsense  - it looks like black magic flavor of crowdfunding...

I mean, it is new flavor - BM so often redefine the game, so it looks like innovative (delaying) version: stop buyers to buy competitive products in expecting your and mobilizing eco system third part creators. If you like more nonsense - it looks to me as time-based crowdfunding :) (Because time is money... at least in one version of definition.)

I remember situation with BMCCC camera - year and half after preordering buyers didn't get it... I hope it is not the case now... with all really great respect, with BM history I learned to often reckon on word "hope".

I used to work in finance. Some companies can get loans against their order book.

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