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1 hour ago, Luke Mason said:

Trust me, I have my hands on some ProRes and DNG materials from the camera (acquired from NAB), it's clean af up to about 6400. Noise pattern is very pleasant fine grain, due to lack of compression obviously. The sensor is confirmed to be IMX294CJK, it's the STARVIS line from Sony Semicon with BSI design, originally intended for low light surveillance.

ProRes screenshot:

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Would it be able for you to upload the original camera video file somewhere (for example, WeTransfer, with the download link here on the forum)?

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2 hours ago, mercer said:

I fervently agree. I am as excited as hell for this camera... even though I’ll wait until they’re readily available to buy one.

I was just trying to make a point that it’s possible that this camera’s specs, specifically high ISO, won’t live up to the expectations. These, all BM, cameras have quirks and issues like magenta casts, fixed pattern noise, black hole sun, deadlines not being met... so I hope people are prepared for this instead of jumping on board and expecting something this won’t be and then spreading hatred because their unrealistic expectations weren’t met.

I mean, hell there are already posts questioning and hoping for great AF... I can tell you right now... it won’t be good. 

I think speculation are off the chart, this clearly doesn't seems to be the same sensor tech used by BM since now. Them advertising +1600 ISO is a massive change from their camera before this one. Many thing points at a Sony sensor and we know what we can expect a bit from Sony sensor's and it would be much better that what was the case from previous BM cameras. So I say, better wait before applying some general rule to previous BM cams and workflows.

Playing with the file, nice

bmc gradded.jpg

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1 hour ago, anonim said:

Is it common outcome that after presentation of "final" product and open pre-order selling still rest so much unanswered questions? It is not rhetorically question - simply I've never paid to much attention on usual promotional behavior...

But here I noticed that several visitors confirm the same - to quote one of them: "Blackmagic people were unwilling to say anything on camera." I don't understand why.

Am I wrong when it seems to me that at the moment we really dispose mostly with glaring promises which, of course, all of us greatly respect and wish or longing for - but we actually know very little how efficiently they will be implemented? Because we saw so little of examples of promised look and implementation?

I think you know the answer.  Most companies don't do a presentation and then open preorders six months in advance so I am not sure what you expect us to compare it to.

It is 2018.  Blackmagic is a different kind of company.  Frankly Blackmagic of 2018 is different from Blackmagic of 2015.  People are even getting tripped up comparing it to Blackmagic of five years ago.  The product and the company have evolved.

What usually happens with these cameras is you get a bunch of rumors of varying quality from different websites and a company that refuses to answer any questions.  Blackmagic cut out the BS middle man and has given you a lot of the FACTS.  Do you mean to imply you prefer the sketchy rumor route?

What Blackmagic is doing is unusual but I don't get the angst.  Just treat their announcement like you do the rumor sites and wait six months.

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27 minutes ago, Danyyyel said:

I think speculation are off the chart, this clearly doesn't seems to be the same sensor tech used by BM since now. Them advertising +1600 ISO is a massive change from their camera before this one. Many thing points at a Sony sensor and we know what we can expect a bit from Sony sensor's and it would be much better that what was the case from previous BM cameras. So I say, better wait before applying some general rule to previous BM cams and workflows.

Playing with the file, nice

bmc gradded.jpg

Good points and nice grade! Honestly, I’m not even being cautious here for myself... if I were to only get the bump in 1080p frame rates at that price, I’d be a happy camper. Everything else is gravy... especially not having to use an IR Cut Filter or anti-aliasing filter. 

But I will add, if people are curious about how good the autofocus is, this camera may not be for them... or who knows, maybe they’ll surprise everybody and have a usable tracking autofocus...

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5 hours ago, Mokara said:

Can't shoot much stuff with a shell containing no electronics inside ;)

WTH Where have you been yesterday? : ) That's SIMPLY NOT accurate:

 

EDIT -- @Danyyyel Thanks for your quick answer on my and others behalf. I hadn't seen yet your post to directly address such nonsensical misinformation, which only ends in undesirable FUD. Lack of information spread online can damage and become miserable to the other side focusing to make things happen.

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I am hugely excited for this camera, but having owned both the Pocket V1 and the Micro, I’m a touch wary about what else I have to buy to make the camera acutally work through the day. Whether it’s a ton of batteries AND enough chargers to be able to charge them all without me having to wake up at 3am to do a battery swap, or an OLPF for the Micro, there’s always *something else* that needs to be purchased. I’d love Blackmagic to sell an LP-E6 fast charger that can be powered off USB-C PD, especially if it can be run off an USB-C PD compatible power bank (like ones that can charge USB-C laptops), so I can put a spent battery into the charger and keep it in my bag through the day. Being able to rotate 3-4 batteries for all day location shooting rather than having to manage 8 batteries makes a HUGE difference for multiday shoots.

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5 minutes ago, jhnkng said:

I am hugely excited for this camera, but having owned both the Pocket V1 and the Micro, I’m a touch wary about what else I have to buy to make the camera acutally work through the day. Whether it’s a ton of batteries AND enough chargers to be able to charge them all without me having to wake up at 3am to do a battery swap, or an OLPF for the Micro, there’s always *something else* that needs to be purchased. I’d love Blackmagic to sell an LP-E6 fast charger that can be powered off USB-C PD, especially if it can be run off an USB-C PD compatible power bank (like ones that can charge USB-C laptops), so I can put a spent battery into the charger and keep it in my bag through the day. Being able to rotate 3-4 batteries for all day location shooting rather than having to manage 8 batteries makes a HUGE difference for multiday shoots.

Is this what you want?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QGJ91A4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It seems that it takes the same batteries as the XC10, and I have bought and tested the above and it seems to work ok.

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9 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Yes 4K 120fps capable... See the E2 cam...But that needs external recorder, no? I think the internal processing power required for that is currently out of bounds of small affordable cameras.

I guess E2 cam will offer internal recording on CFAST 2.0 or it wouldn't make sense they are announcing it as restricted to 4K60p externally :-)

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11 minutes ago, Lux Shots said:

The GH4. This was the first 4K camera at a enthusiast price point.

Earlier than that, the reason why we are all here and gave name to this forum I believe and bet, as well: 5D Mark II. Without mention, the earliest DVX100. Very enthusiast price point then :-)

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16 minutes ago, kye said:

Is this what you want?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QGJ91A4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It seems that it takes the same batteries as the XC10, and I have bought and tested the above and it seems to work ok.

I've got two of those. They work pretty well, but not 100% reliable as far as knowing when a battery is actually full. I still like them though and are my primary chargers for my Micro.

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4 minutes ago, graphicnatured said:

I've got two of those. They work pretty well, but not 100% reliable as far as knowing when a battery is actually full. I still like them though and are my primary chargers for my Micro.

Interesting.  Could you be a bit more specific about the problem?  ie, do they overcharge? or is it just difficult to tell when they're done charging?

The reason I ask is that I am flying out on Saturday for a trip and was going to take that as my only charger.  I've got two batteries and was going to leave them both in that charger overnight each evening to fully charge.

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40 minutes ago, kye said:

Interesting.  Could you be a bit more specific about the problem?  ie, do they overcharge? or is it just difficult to tell when they're done charging?

The reason I ask is that I am flying out on Saturday for a trip and was going to take that as my only charger.  I've got two batteries and was going to leave them both in that charger overnight each evening to fully charge.

You should be okay. Are your batteries OG Canon or aftermarket? I think this makes a difference. Sometimes looks like batteries are finished charging when they aren't. Sometimes the light won't go on at all so no idea if a certain battery is charging.

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7 hours ago, Luke Mason said:

It's a Sony BSI sensor, IMX294CJK, used in GH5S. The DR is about 12.7EV at base gain. The high gain setting loses a bit DR in exchange for low noise, it's clean af!

I am beginning to believe the photo mode on this camera will probably ens up being like the, what was it, the Oly EM mk II with a 4k Frame grab?? Probably will be in the 8mp range. Maybe not a frame grab, but I don't see how it can be much over 8mp. But hey that gets the job done for a lot of stuff. The sensor tops out at 10.7MP so it can't be more than. And I doubt that is even the effective output.

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