Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 21, 2018 Administrators Share Posted October 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, Turboguard said: That’s not a comparison really, he’s not even saying that they’re doing a comparison. It’s like taking the new Mad Max movie where they used the OG pocket and saying it’s a comparison to the Alexa. Lol The Alexa is not God. It's quite an old camera now. Just because its the industry standard doesn't mean to say it has a wide performance advantage to certain other cameras. I had an interesting bloke from the new Mad Max movie contact me during the production. He was looking for the most compact possible single focus anamorphic for a drone shot and had Google'd Iscorama Small stuff is used all the time in top-flight production, and cuts just fine with an Alexa. The way people talk about that camera, you'd think it was Alexa, BIG GAP, then everything else. It isn't. Some of the cheaper RAW stuff is right up there. Emanuel and dslnc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrad Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Hollywood loves the Alexa for its reliability as much as anything else. deezid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 C200 is too sterile looking. I like the PK4 a Lot better. But we are talking the ability of the person grading. So I don't really put much credence in that test. Where is Zak when we need him LoL. He is a wiz at grading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 21, 2018 Administrators Share Posted October 21, 2018 Info for video above... Lenses: Voigtlander 17.5mm f/0.95 and Super Takumar 50mm f/1.4 with Black Promist 1/4 (Which explains the less clinical look then!!) Canon C200 Lenses: Sigma 18-35 f1.8, Canon 50mm f1.2 and Canon 85mm 1.2 with Black Promist 1/4 BMPCC Resolution and codec: 4K DCI, RAW 4:1, 24P and 60p Canon C200 Resolution: Canon RAWLIGHT 4K 60P 10bit Remind me... Is C200 raw internal or external? I have forgotten LOL. deezid, Emanuel and Kisaha 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexTrinder96 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Alternative to the T5... Chrad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Remind me... Is C200 raw internal or external? I have forgotten LOL. Internally. 12 bit @ 30p, 10 bit @ 60p in 4K @ 4.2.2. https://www.4kshooters.net/2017/05/31/new-canon-eos-c200-shoots-4k-cinema-raw-light-internally/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dslnc Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: The Alexa is not God. It's quite an old camera now. Just because its the industry standard doesn't mean to say it has a wide performance advantage to certain other cameras. I had an interesting bloke from the new Mad Max movie contact me during the production. He was looking for the most compact possible single focus anamorphic for a drone shot and had Google'd Iscorama Small stuff is used all the time in top-flight production, and cuts just fine with an Alexa. The way people talk about that camera, you'd think it was Alexa, BIG GAP, then everything else. It isn't. Some of the cheaper RAW stuff is right up there. Zacuto’s big camera battle showed exactly that - some cameras need more CC work / post than other depending on the scene. But with careful production quality you can get far. The IPhone even faired rather well too (albeit with a lot of post work) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted October 21, 2018 Super Members Share Posted October 21, 2018 And with a lot of $$$$$$ spent on lights. Andrew Reid and Chrad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, dslnc said: Zacuto’s big camera battle showed exactly that - some cameras need more CC work / post than other depending on the scene. But with careful production quality you can get far. The IPhone even faired rather well too (albeit with a lot of post work) Small sensors under 1-inch are too limited for anything other than wide shots going along deep DOF and flat 2D looking. Period. E : -) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turboguard Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I feel like I read somewhere people being scared that you can’t shoot lossless 4K DCI and record with T5. Well today was the first time I plugged it in and it definitely takes it. I tried 23.976 recorded for 5min before I was convinced enough. Did 30fps recorded for 5min, convinced. And finally 60fps which did get a frame drop after 40seconds. But that’s 40sec 60fps lossless RAW 4K DCI on a 100dollar drive! The T5 works great! No problems at all here! dslnc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vgsmedia Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, Turboguard said: I feel like I read somewhere people being scared that you can’t shoot lossless 4K DCI and record with T5. Well today was the first time I plugged it in and it definitely takes it. I tried 23.976 recorded for 5min before I was convinced enough. Did 30fps recorded for 5min, convinced. And finally 60fps which did get a frame drop after 40seconds. But that’s 40sec 60fps lossless RAW 4K DCI on a 100dollar drive! The T5 works great! No problems at all here! I get 10 seconds, sometimes 15+ seconds - depends on the scene, so it doesn't work without a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turboguard Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 26 minutes ago, vgsmedia said: I get 10 seconds, sometimes 15+ seconds - depends on the scene, so it doesn't work without a problem. I will try more and see what my median for 60fps is. edit: you’re right, the second I took it outside and shot in sunlight, it stops under 10sec. So with T5 you can at least do 30fps 4K DCI without having to worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Juxx989 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turboguard Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Here's for y'all to play with: A002_10211436_C012_000195.dng - ETTR, Exposed with false color. Quick fix in ACR: Compressed JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 10 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: The Alexa is not God. It's quite an old camera now. Just because its the industry standard doesn't mean to say it has a wide performance advantage to certain other cameras. I had an interesting bloke from the new Mad Max movie contact me during the production. He was looking for the most compact possible single focus anamorphic for a drone shot and had Google'd Iscorama Small stuff is used all the time in top-flight production, and cuts just fine with an Alexa. The way people talk about that camera, you'd think it was Alexa, BIG GAP, then everything else. It isn't. Some of the cheaper RAW stuff is right up there. I watched a video yesterday from Tom Antos who commented that his Ursa Mini has colours that are right up there with Alexa. What a wonderful world when the technology has closed the gap over time since the Alexa came out. When I was madly googling how to colour match various cameras, I found quite a few examples of large productions using small consumer cameras for crash cams or difficult locations etc. @Emanuel is half-way there with the comment about wide deep DoF shots, like using GoPros as crash cams and only having them in the edit for <1s, but they can also be used in far more situations too. Any time the image is stylised is fair game.. POV shot of someone on drugs, underwater shots, those shots in a sink looking up at the water streaming down onto glass, macro shots, daylight shots, the list goes on. There are mods for GoPros that change the lens out to be less wide and have adjustable focus for DoF, there are those EF adapters for mobile phones that focus the lens on ground glass, etc etc. 1" sensor is more likely to equal wide and deep DoF if you've got a small budget and little time, but if you're on a Hollywood production then you'll have time to test cameras, modify them, and do all sorts of things to get the shots you need. Then you can give them to your colourist who can actually match them properly. 7 hours ago, Emanuel said: Nah.. skin tones look all plasticy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunjoye Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 hours ago, kye said: I watched a video yesterday from Tom Antos who commented that his Ursa Mini has colours that are right up there with Alexa. What a wonderful world when the technology has closed the gap over time since the Alexa came out. When I was madly googling how to colour match various cameras, I found quite a few examples of large productions using small consumer cameras for crash cams or difficult locations etc. @Emanuel is half-way there with the comment about wide deep DoF shots, like using GoPros as crash cams and only having them in the edit for <1s, but they can also be used in far more situations too. Any time the image is stylised is fair game.. POV shot of someone on drugs, underwater shots, those shots in a sink looking up at the water streaming down onto glass, macro shots, daylight shots, the list goes on. There are mods for GoPros that change the lens out to be less wide and have adjustable focus for DoF, there are those EF adapters for mobile phones that focus the lens on ground glass, etc etc. 1" sensor is more likely to equal wide and deep DoF if you've got a small budget and little time, but if you're on a Hollywood production then you'll have time to test cameras, modify them, and do all sorts of things to get the shots you need. Then you can give them to your colourist who can actually match them properly. Nah.. skin tones look all plasticy! Well it's a plastic doll. Duuh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dan Keeble Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Dunjoye said: Well it's a plastic doll. Duuh His sarcasm was handed to you on a plate and you still didn't get it?! webrunner5, dslnc, deezid and 3 others 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 14 hours ago, Turboguard said: Here's for y'all to play with: A002_10211436_C012_000195.dng - ETTR, Exposed with false color. That's amazing how much info there is there. When I opened the DNG I laughed at how bright it was. I just got my order confirmation, I should receive it this week - so pumped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turboguard Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Anaconda_ said: That's amazing how much info there is there. When I opened the DNG I laughed at how bright it was. I just got my order confirmation, I should receive it this week - so pumped. Yeah, ETTR all the way with this one LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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