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1 hour ago, Anaconda_ said:

Why not use the Velcro on the cable? Slip it under the strap hook thingy on the corner of the camera and then the drive doesn’t dangle. 

Although I guess that’s not an issue for you anymore. 

Yeah, it was just an extreme example here. I had it secured if I was moving around obviously before I got the cage. Point was I didn’t need to pay even more money to be able to use it. And I know you know that, just re-iterating for other members. Point is, the camera is fully functional out of box with no other need than storage and lens. People who say other, sadly have an expensive way of using their skills (or maybe they don’t have any skills and need to pay for it to look somewhat good?)

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2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:
  1. Battery door is faulty, flops open

Not on mine it doesn't

  1. Battery gets stuck

Nope. Not had that either.

  1. Lens mount has a worrying amount of play.

Not with MFT lenses - any play I've had has been with my cheap Viltrox speed booster. 

  1. Battery life is rubbish

I'll give you that. But I'm getting a solid 40 minutes with each battery. Predictable, and you can rig a more robust solution. 

  1. Massive barrel distortion on native M43 lenses

I've been shooting at 12mm today, which is as wide as I usually go, and had no distortion. 

  1. Screen unusable outside

I've been shooting all afternoon with it. In sunlight. It's no worse than any other camera screen

  1. 1TB USB C drive "is a must" (add £600 because it needs to be Samsung T5 or equally fast / approved)

I've been shooting on the Sandisk Extreme Pro SD cards today. Perfectly find for UHD ProRes 422 which is perfectly fine for most of what I do. The T5 is useful to have in the bag, and is the cheapest option for the amount of bitrate it churns out. Maybe you're not used to so much data?

  1. Add cage

I will - thanks. 

  1. Add power base or v-lock battery

Already had one - like most people who will buy this. 

  1. Add monitor

Already had one. like most people who will buy this. 

Not so Pocket now and not so £1000 camera now is it?

Solutions for Blackmagic when the do the next camera

  • Use multiple batteries in a vertical grip style form factor and allow USB C power while camera is running
  • Do better Q/A on the lens mount. No more reports of infinity focus being off. No more reports of play and wobble.
  • Support digital correction of native M43 for ProRes recordings
  • Put a built in EVF in it
  • Put a screen on it that is bright enough or daylight use
  • Put an articulated joint on said screen
  • Raise price to £1500, to save us the hassle of having to double the camera price to make it usable and bulk it up.
  • Keep the body as light as possible.

Seriously, you should pick one up. If only to test it - the interface is a joy to use and the image quality is excellent. It's a film makers tool, not a hybrid camera, an SLR that does good video. It's just a box with pretty decent sensor and a hole in the front. 

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12 minutes ago, Jn- said:

They may not be part of the MFT consortium?  If they are then they should have access to other MFT manufacturers lens settings corrections, distortion, CA, vignetting.  The over-reliance of Oly and Pana on software corrections for their lens designs means that non Oly and Pana lens, with or without adapters are probably better corrected and will have fewer issues.  Opticalimits, photozone, gives distortion values with and without corrections.  Any mft lens starting at say 12mm have real issues without autocorrection.

They joined in 2013 

http://www.photographydailynews.com/2013/01/kodak-end-black-magic-join-micro-four-third/

Hopefully as the cameras are out there in greater numbers they'll have more feedback to get a clearer picture (no pun intended) of which lenses are going to be problematic and where to go from there, even if it is just a directive of "Lens xyz is not recommended" etc.

I think the most obvious ones are the wides but from my experience with native MFT lenses on the LS300 there may be a few surprises with other lenses in terms of edge performance if people are used to using them on GH5, GX80 etc

The situation with adapted lenses looks like a different - and worse - sort of mess because of the number of variables involved with the different permutations of FF and APS-C lenses going on numerous different types of speed booster and I don't envy BM trying to test that.

 

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With regard to the batteries getting stuck, there have been a few reports on BMCUser of genuine Canon batteries getting stuck that turned out not to be genuine Canon batteries after all, including someone who bought 3 from a very well known camera store.

As an FYI, someone there has posted this video about how to spot the difference between the genuine article and the very convincing fake ones.

 

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15 minutes ago, Turboguard said:

I think I’ll invest in at least 2 real ones before better solutions arrive. I do wonder if there’s any chance you could use a USB C to DC. 

Its charge only through USB but its certainly a decent option to have if you are out as you can always find something or somewhere with a USB outlet to put a bit of juice in.

I've ordered one of these until the BM cable pack is available.

Its £35 which is not much more than the cost of the dummy battery thats included which, once you have that, there are obviously a lot of other options to power it off Sony batteries etc.

I'm definitely looking forward to sporting the very fetching belt pack.

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1 minute ago, BTM_Pix said:

Its charge only through USB but its certainly a decent option to have if you are out as you can always find something or somewhere with a USB outlet to put a bit of juice in.

I've ordered one of these until the BM cable pack is available.

Its £35 which is not much more than the cost of the dummy battery thats included which, once you have that, there are obviously a lot of other options to power it off Sony batteries etc.

I'm definitely looking forward to sporting the very fetching belt pack.

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I meant USB C from my battery pack to DC in to P4K. What are you going to use when you get the cable kit from BMD?

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2 minutes ago, Turboguard said:

I meant USB C from my battery pack to DC in to P4K. What are you going to use when you get the cable kit from BMD?

Ah right. 

Sorry.

I'm just going to use one of the small £10 SmallRig adapters from my BMPCC that take the Sony F batteries.

Cheap and cheerful and mounts to anything (screw mount on the bottom and a velcro strap as well).

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5 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Nice find on that - got to be worth a try for 30 quid!

Better to have the wire going into the base of the camera. Too easy to knock the DC cable out of the side of it?

It arrives on Tuesday so I'll let you know.

As I say, its only about a fiver more expensive than the dummy battery on its own !

The DC connector is very nice but with it being locked I would be concerned about giving it a knock not in terms of it falling out but in terms of it staying in and damaging the port.

I think it would be nice if someone did a 3d printed extension housing for the port to feed the cables out of so if you weren't using a cage with a clamping mechanism you'd have some way of protecting it from a knock.

9 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Yep, that would be a very handy cable to have in the bag.

Anything that lets you use a USB power bank is always a good option.

Quite pragmatic solution as well to have the dual USB option if the emergency power pack you've just run into Primark to get doesn't output enough juice so you can run back in to buy another one to make up the difference.

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Hello everyone!

I received my BMPCC4K almost a week ago and unfortunately I haven’t had much time to play with it so far but I wanted to give you my first impression and observation in the hope these might be helpful!

BUILD QUALITY / ERGONOMICS:

The camera is pretty big (and wide especially) but it’s surprisingly light. I’m not a huge fan of the exterior plastic material as it feels a bit cheap and quite prone to scratches but at the end of the day this a professional tool so as long as it’s able to withstand normal use I’m not too bothered about it.
I haven’t found any spots that are cause for concern, yes the battery cover it’s a bit flimsy like other people reported but it never came open on me (and even if it did the battery is safely hold in place with a spring loaded clip so it won’t fall over anyway).
The lens mount seems pretty robust, I tried mounting some heavy lens and haven’t experienced any flex so it seems all good.
The mounting points looks very sturdy as they’re surrounded my a metal plate so if you plan to mount something heavy without a cage it looks like is not gonna be a problem.
The camera feels quite good in the hand the only reservation I have is that is fairly easy to obstruct the bottom exhaust while shooting handheld as it’s the natural resting point for the hand that operate the lens.
The screen is pretty awesome I should say, it’s detailed, responsive has good colours and it’s surprisingly bright when needed. Is it usable under direct sunlight without a hood? In my experience barely but so is the vast majority of built-in screens out there, for that you need something very bright like a smallHD 1500nits or something similar.

USABILITY/OPERATION:

Like many other people said before this camera is an absolute joy to operate, the menu system is one of the best in the industry, it’s logically laid out and super intuitive. Overall the experience is much more akin to a RED or an Alexa rather than a hybrid camera and this is good given the this is a cinema camera after all 🙂
I like how everything can be controlled so easily via the touchscreen but I like even more the fact that you don’t have to rely on it if you prefer not to or you’re in a shooting situation in which is not practical. All the main functions have dedicated buttons (and a dial in the front just under the record button) plus the three functions buttons are completely programmable either as toggles for specific functions or you can assign a precise value to a parameter that you wish to quickly recall (say you want to go to iso 3200 with a touch of a button you can do that)
The Preset menu is another gem of the OS, you can save camera configurations with totally different settings and recall them in a moment, it’s a massive timesaver!
The screen, other than being of great quality, offers an impressive range of tools for a built-in screen the highlight of which (for me) is definitely the inclusion of false colours which is such a great tool to expose and is something that is never present in hybrid cameras.
Battery life is not amazing but again it’s quite normal for a cinema camera with an actively cooled sensor I think. I would say you can expect 35-40 minutes recording time quite consistently. Like other users reported already original Canon batteries seems to give the best and most consistent results and are the only one providing a percentage to the camera so I might swallow the hefty price and buy a couple extra of them. I haven’t had any problems with stuck batteries so far and I hope it stays this way!
I’ve recorded mainly on SD cards and I’m glad to report that my Sony G ones can reliably record 4K RAW 60fps 4:1 with no issues (although they’re not in the official list provided by BM but I suppose they’re very similar to the new “Tough” series just released which are approved instead).
I also used SanDisk Extreme Pro UHS-I and although they’re not fast enough for 60fps they can record 4K 25 RAW 4:1 with no issues.
I’ve also made a test with a random SSD mounted in a usb-c caddy and it worked perfectly so I’m probably gonna purchase a couple of Samsung T5 as soon as I find a nice holder that I can use without a cage.

IMAGE QUALITY:

This is where the camera really shines (and it’s kind of important I reckon, right?) 😛
The images are detailed and rich, the colour science is very very good out of the box and coupled with the ease of use and the big screen is easy and fast to acquire great footage.
The dynamic range is not greater than other cameras like the GH5s or the A7III but the numbers on papers often don’t tell the full story.. The camera produces files that have not been processed in any way (if you shoot raw of course) so it’s actually easier to squeeze every bit of information from them compared to a heavily compressed codec.
As other users already noted I found the highlights rolloff to be a bit on the harsh side so I’d say it’s a good idea to protect the highlights with this camera as a priority.
The dual native ISO values of 400 and 3200 are a very good choice in my opinion, particularly in daylight when you don’t have to use a ton of ND filtration to get the correct exposure.
Noise levels are pretty good although I have to say there is more chroma noise that I would like (particularly compared to the kind of monochrome noise Sony has accustomed us to with their sensors) but again, with files this good it’s quite trivial to use your denoiser of choice and get rid of it without murdering the image.
I also noticed in a couple of shots some moire/aliasing and unfortunately this is quite inevitable since this is not an oversampled sensor readout and there is no OLPF…

This is it for now, hope I haven’t bored you to death and that you’ve found useful information and I promise to follow soon with more details and some hopefully nice images too!

Have a great weekend everybody!

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I must confess that large(r) screen in-camera makes that device unique of a kind as far as both ergonomics and usability concern too (aside IQ and the usual codecs mantra, obviously). People apparently don't care, but...

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Let’s say I did connect at power bank with a DC adapter to my P4K, how much output would a power bank need to charge the camera while running? The one I have to charge my Switch is 5V/3A I believe, but it was also like 70bucks. 

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7 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Is there anyone who can test tap-to-focus along the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 with Viltrox or even Metabones SB adapters?

I can’t get tap to focus or any kind of AF to work on any of my lenses, 18-35 included. 

Im using the Viltrox EF adapter and assume this is stopping it from working, maybe it needs an firmware update? 

Maybe there’s a setting I’ve missed in the menu? I don’t have native AF MFT lenses to try it with. 

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