Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K

[Andrew Reid 6,982]

Honesty isn't important?

[Emanuel 1,287]

They're simply not doing their best. Andrew deserves another treatment. Even now. End of story.

[salim 99]

@Andrew Reid 

I've said this in the past. If I was the head of the marketing or  PR for a camera company the risk/reward of inviting you and giving you access would not be justifiable. With this post you just made it even a more clear example. 

There is no upside for them to invite someone like you. I think some camera companies do really want honest feedback so they can improve something, but they also want it in a way that does not embarrass them. You come across as a bit of a "loose cannon". Many of these guys, PR and marketing is their job. It's what pays their rent, pays their kids college tuition, medical bills, vacations, etc.  Why should they risk all that so that you and your blog just get more credibility? 

Yes, @John Brawley was a bit curt to you. But I'm not sure how that should impact your purchasing decision. As a professional DP, at the end of the day, you'll pick the best tool for the job that you your budget allows.

I do agree with you, the new Fuji X-T3 is a game changer and at such similar price range, it has advantages, given improved AF (that might actually be useful now), larger sensor and color science. We know X-H2 will probably arrive in another 9-12 months or so, taking X-T3 and adding IBIS on it, making it more useful for some people.

But at the end of the day, pros will look at the entire system and if they're shooting something for netflix, etc. BM might be the obvious system to use given their budget and the hobbyist like myself will choose Nikon, Sony or the new Fuji.

 

I think BM could have done a better job perhaps to be more inclusive, but as someone who supports your product and likes your community and wants to help you, my suggestion is that you could have handled it a lot better. It's probably too late now, you probably burned a lot of bridges and scared off more future marketing people.

IMHO, at this point, maybe your next option is to brand yourself as the ultimate critical reviewer. Basically the place people come to be warned and  see everything they should know about before buying a product. The kind of critical review they do not get on youtube affiliate-marketing driven review business or elsewhere. So market the reason you are not invited is because your reviews are too honest, "too honest to be invited". 

Hope this is constructive. 

 

 

[Andrew Reid 6,982]

I don't agree with you.

There is no risk inviting me to a simple hands-on gathering with a camera and I have been to many before.

If you want to read a blog of watered-down PR-lead opinion pieces, there are plenty out there for you to follow instead.

Even the risk (of negative publicity) that comes from not inviting me to a hands-on is very low but here it has added up. It rises if the blog has 1 million views since 1 month ago and a 5 year track record of supporting Blackmagic, yet still gets passed over for a simple demo unit. Do you realize, it is a lot of hard work to keep EOSHD going? Then the risk of having your main camera tester / closest DP advisor use the forum for 2 years without acknowledging the site owner A SINGLE TIME adds a little bit as well (just shows a lack of appreciation). Giving demo units to much less known bloggers with much less expertise increases the risk of a frustrated outburst even more, on top of the above and being teased with a camera that won't ship for months. After all that, having an event in Manchester and then John's insults were the straw that broke the camel's back. So Blackmagic really only have themselves to blame if I don't like them very much as a company any more.

33 minutes ago, salim said:

@Andrew Reid

Yes, @John Brawley was a bit curt to you. But I'm not sure how that should impact your purchasing decision. As a professional DP, at the end of the day, you'll pick the best tool for the job that you your budget allows.

Best tool for the job is not the Pocket 4K for me. I'll wait for RAW from something else. I don't have an urgent need for it.

ProRes is nice.

But as certain pros will tell you, it's not enough to just look at the specs sheet and choose a camera, the support from the company is important too as is reliability and whether or not you actually like how the company treats you.

A big reason I bought a Leica SL was because they were supportive of EOSHD. It counts for a lot. Doesn't mean to say I not going to be critical about it though, because I spent my hard earned own money on it. When I met the Leica product manager in Berlin, he was very helpful and demoed the new firmware with improved LOG. That meeting came from being critical and basically pointing out that their LOG profile was broken.

The same thing applies to Sony, I have been critical of technical aspects of their camera and they listened directly.

See below...

Yes there is an element of PR about all of this, to try and offer a rebuttal to critical articles and to show they are listening.

But there is also an element of truth in it, that they are listening to users and representatives of users, actual shooters, not just "camera reviewers" as John Brawley puts it.

There are people out there at the camera companies that value my feedback and I am not going to stop being critical or pointing out bugs, just to please some fanboys.

[Emanuel 1,287]

All this drama could end with a move by BMD side. Where's Petty BTW? He's the leader of this project. As BMD supporter much earlier than their 1st camera had landed, I am just wondering how and why this hasn't stopped yet. What a nonsense.

[Andrew Reid 6,982]

I agree, but that boat has sailed. If they wanted to keep me in the loop, the time to act was straight after NAB! How long has it been announced for now? 5 months? I doubt there's much they can do now to change my mind, short of putting a camera on my desk. Even this simple act seems to be beyond them. They could have thousands of sales from the traffic on this site long-term, but they just don't appear to recognize you or I even exist.

Arrogance?

[Emanuel 1,287]

They should apologize once you are in position to claim another attention from their side. There's plain room for move on. Hope both sides may play their part. To understand their own responsibilities.

This silence is also unethical and non-professional, not the way we expect they may conduct their business. Last JB entries as BMD ambassador a total disaster.

As BMD user, I want to see them to succeed. Policies apply. Deeds.

Time to stop this stupid inertia.

Is there any other location where this camera had gathered so much attention like this one? Facts speak by themselves.

[IronFilm 2,625]

13 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

 

Is there any other location where this camera had gathered so much attention like this one? 

bmcuser forum

[PannySVHS 606]

Andrew, your articles and visual pieces are an awesome asset of your site, which gets not taken use of enough. Articles of yours like below are pure GOLD. And you have done so many of them. Beautiful essays with insights into technical, artistic and social aspects. True treasures. It is your own original content, Andrew!

Andrew Reid: "I like Berlin because it still has a ramshackle nature to it, and it is so unique compared to the usual capitalist conformist city." And here is the article of yours I just read. You´ve been doing this for a long time. Awesome and positive and insightful. Keep it going and without too much anger, Andrew, you, our very good friend from the interwebs!

https://www.eoshd.com/2011/06/burnt-out-philip-bloom-end-of-the-world-challenge/

 

Btw, unfortunately Berlin has become exactely that, "a usual capitalist conformist city", as you put it. I would not have thought so myself until three years ago or so:/

Edit: Also this one is gold: "If you only ever shoot shallow, you are only using half the creative expression available, for example, that famous deep depth of field classic Citizen Kane wouldn’t have looked as good had it been shot at F1.4 on a 5D Mark II!" :)

 

[hansel 51]

Please @blackmagicdesign get one of those sales reps to the fricking midlands and go on a bender with Andrew. Let @Andrew Reid document it all with that forsaken p4k. Make a review from it that will break the internet like Kim's butt. Boom. 

[OniBaba 10]

In order to put this unfolding drama to an end, I'd propose we use the youtuber's way to end these disputes: a boxing match btw Andrew Reid vs. John Brawley (or a BM rep chosen in this forum).

The venue might be the same Manchester's gin distillery where the BM event was held.

The match has to be streamed live on vimeo, still to be decided whether to use a BMPCC 4k OR a Olympus E-M10 III.

 

[mechanicalEYE 120]

4 minutes ago, OniBaba said:

In order to put this unfolding drama to an end, I'd propose we use the youtuber's way to end these disputes: a boxing match btw Andrew Reid vs. John Brawley (or a BM rep chosen in this forum).

The venue might be the same Manchester's gin distillery where the BM event was held.

The match has to be streamed live on vimeo, still to be decided whether to use a BMPCC 4k OR a Olympus E-M10 III.

 

I see you planning, just make sure a specific person get's their invitation or your name might slandered for being a faulty fight promoter.

[CyclingBen 40]

Looks like people are searching for the EM-10 III since @Andrew Reid mentioned it here.  On eBay one of the listings I was checking out yesterday afternoon had 500 views.  This morning, about 14 hours later, it has over 3 thousand views.  Is that all from Andrew?  Probably not, but I'm sure some of it is.

[anonim 459]

33 minutes ago, OniBaba said:

In order to put this unfolding drama to an end, I'd propose we use the youtuber's way to end these disputes: a boxing match btw Andrew Reid vs. John Brawley (or a BM rep chosen in this forum).

The venue might be the same Manchester's gin distillery where the BM event was held.

The match has to be streamed live on vimeo, still to be decided whether to use a BMPCC 4k OR a Olympus E-M10 III.

 

I think that understand point, but what interested me is: why your first associative idea is an boxing match?

[OniBaba 10]

3 minutes ago, anonim said:

I think that understand point, but what interested me is: why your first associative idea is an boxing match?

that's the internet era way of settling dissputes on social network

And hey, I'd hop Andrew Reid would choose the lens, look over here (1:11), not enough flare!

 

[salim 99]

30 minutes ago, CyclingBen said:

Looks like people are searching for the EM-10 III since @Andrew Reid mentioned it here.  

I did too

[anonim 459]

3 minutes ago, OniBaba said:

that's the internet era way of settling dissputes on social network

And hey, I'd hop Andrew Reid would choose the lens, look over here (1:11), not enough flare!

 

I see... Thanks sir for illustrative clarification and additional information about your point of view.

[mnewxcv 51]

I'm ready to order this camera pending rolling shutter info. 

[eleison 99]

2 hours ago, salim said:

It's probably too late now, you probably burned a lot of bridges and scared off more future marketing people.

IMHO, at this point, maybe your next option is to brand yourself as the ultimate critical reviewer. Basically the place people come to be warned and  see everything they should know about before buying a product. The kind of critical review they do not get on youtube affiliate-marketing driven review business or elsewhere. So market the reason you are not invited is because your reviews are too honest, "too honest to be invited". 

Hope this is constructive.  

Andrew is an iconoclast.  But iconoclast never get the sacramental wine or bread...  T's the way of the world.  As long as he keeps his reviews honest, then let the world burn.  If he starts dinging a camera because he wasn't invited to x, or y event than he will be "just the same as everyone else"....

[Turboguard 179]

2 minutes ago, mnewxcv said:

I'm ready to order this camera pending rolling shutter info. 

Haven't seen much in the released footage. Seems to be almost minimal.

 

What do you guys think about mounting a smartphone clamp to a cage to hold the samsung T5? I'd only use the setup while shooting RAW 4K DCI obviously. Then SD cards for ProRes. Been looking at 8sin's Scorpio half cage.