Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K

[SR 112]

8sin looks awesome. Afraid I prematurely got myself this on Amazon (just 10 bucks).

 

[IronFilm 2,490]

 I need something like this but with a clamp on the bottom so I can attached my iPod Touch (which uses an iOS app with the F8n) to the frame of my Orca OR30 mixing bag. 

[Andrew Reid 6,876]

54 minutes ago, mechanicalEYE said:

This is something I hope we see on a lot more cameras in 2019.

I find the external battery and bulk of an Atomos recorder very cumbersome for most shoots and an additional burden to worry about.... Is the cable loose, is it recording, is it setup right, is the battery going to see me through the next take, blah blah blah.

With the T5 you just plug it in. Done. Love that it takes power from the USB C port, no other 4K recorders do that.

As we already have a plenty large enough screen on the camera, the need for an external monitor / recorder is even less.

I will be asking every manufacturer at Photokina about adding USB C raw recording and seeing what they think of it.

[Hans Punk 706]

53 minutes ago, mechanicalEYE said:

They say it will be on the site soon for pre-orders.

Now if someone could combine the T5 enclosure with a nice high res 3 inch OLED display (to use with a loupe finder) - that would make a rather nice eyepiece/recorder combo.

[Anaconda_ 430]

@BTM_Pix could combine his cheap screen and a raspberry pie case and create exactly that. You'd still need 2 cables though as the USB doesn't give a video signal. 

Good shout @Andrew Reid , wouldn't the camera manufacture have to create their own raw format? Or adopt Prores raw? The USB drive essentially copies the file being created in the camera in real time right? 

Also, but I don't think atomos will be too happy about it. haha

 

[Andrew Reid 6,876]

I believe Cinema DNG is an open raw format that anyone can use. So no they don't have to create their own format or adopt ProRes raw.

The USB C interface is very versatile, you can send all sorts over it. In this case just a data transfer in realtime like a PC, containing the raw picture data, not sure of the format on the Pocket 4K.

It is something I am pretty sure you will see on more cameras soon after the Pocket 4K comes out.

Reliable 4K RAW recording on a mirrorless camera, as easy as plugging in a USB SSD drive.

12 minutes ago, Hans Punk said:

Now if someone could combine the T5 enclosure with a nice high res 3 inch OLED display (to use with a loupe finder) - that would make a rather nice eyepiece/recorder combo.

That would be nice.

A smartphone with USB C and OLED is essentially the same thing (SSD chipset, processor and screen) and I am surprised a monitor company hasn't taken one as the basis to create an external recorder from.

If they have USB C transfer and live-preview, along with the nice long battery life of a modern smartphone (in airplane mode), you will have a screen which is slimmer, lighter and downright better than everything else on the market for people who want to keep the size down.

[Joek 7]

Not sure if you guys had seen this yet. I think I'll end up going this route https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1992653517699491&id=218039178657651

[Hans Punk 706]

Just now, Joek said:

Not sure if you guys had seen this yet. I think I'll end up going this route https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1992653517699491&id=218039178657651

Yeah - it needs a cable strain relief on it IMHO...looks like the 8sinn solution have recognized that.

[Andrew Reid 6,876]

Cinema5D were at the Manchester event

https://www.cinema5d.com/blackmagic-pocket-cinema-camera-4k-dual-iso-explained-and-lowlight-footage/

My nemesis.

[mnewxcv 48]

1 minute ago, Andrew Reid said:

Cinema5D were at the Manchester event

https://www.cinema5d.com/blackmagic-pocket-cinema-camera-4k-dual-iso-explained-and-lowlight-footage/

My nemesis.

Ok.

[Hans Punk 706]

53 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

I believe Cinema DNG is an open raw format that anyone can use. So no they don't have to create their own format or adopt ProRes raw.

The USB C interface is very versatile, you can send all sorts over it. In this case just a data transfer in realtime like a PC, containing the raw picture data, not sure of the format on the Pocket 4K.

It is something I am pretty sure you will see on more cameras soon after the Pocket 4K comes out.

Reliable 4K RAW recording on a mirrorless camera, as easy as plugging in a USB SSD drive.

That would be nice.

A smartphone with USB C and OLED is essentially the same thing (SSD chipset, processor and screen) and I am surprised a monitor company hasn't taken one as the basis to create an external recorder from.

If they have USB C transfer and live-preview, along with the nice long battery life of a modern smartphone (in airplane mode), you will have a screen which is slimmer, lighter and downright better than everything else on the market for people who want to keep the size down.

Yeah - even something as chunky as the original Zacuto EVF, but with rear slot for T5 drive would be nice. Having a dedicated loupe monitor with integrated ssd slot at rear would allow to position it away from the camera body and allow third point of contact when used as loupe on the end of a rosette arm. The HDMI and USB-C cables could just be bundled into a nice Kevlar sheath to make a rugged tether. The thin HDMI cables now available would not make that cable bundle too thick...Slap a LP-E6 battery on the back of the monitor for power.

[Anaconda_ 430]

18 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

 

I believe Cinema DNG is an open raw format that anyone can use. So no they don't have to create their own format or adopt ProRes raw.

 

That's true. But then what's stopping them from already offering raw? Is it just the write speeds of their chosen media, with usbc bypassing that bottleneck? Or is it that they simply don't want to offer raw?

 

I'm already planning on using my Zucato evf for a few types of shoots, and thought of mounting the t5 onto that. But I really wouldn't want to be jiggling  the USB very much at all. Especially since people here have already warned against the stability of a usbc port.

When I do use the Zucato, it rarely stays in the same place relative to the camera for the whole shoot. 

[Joek 7]

12 minutes ago, Hans Punk said:

Yeah - it needs a cable strain relief on it IMHO...looks like the 8sinn solution have recognized that.

Agreed. Though I really like the "mag" approach, it takes up less space and looks like it has the potential to be a more solid connection. Plus it reminds me of RED 😂

[IronFilm 2,490]

9 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Cinema5D were at the Manchester event

https://www.cinema5d.com/blackmagic-pocket-cinema-camera-4k-dual-iso-explained-and-lowlight-footage/

My nemesis.

Next we'll be finding out VK was at Manchester too!

[Turboguard 179]

1 hour ago, mechanicalEYE said:

They say it will be on the site soon for pre-orders.

Love this. Perfect!

 

and ugh, don’t understand the appeal with wooden camera. It’s way more expensive than competition and the design is so ugly. People won’t be impressed just cause they have some wooden details. Same thing for the BMPCC, I went with the tilta cage that actually looked nice. 

[Emanuel 1,242]

33 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Next we'll be finding out VK was at Manchester too!

Andrew has a point. No one can deny it. Now let's expect they may try to fix it and move on. I even urge Andrew himself to not close his door. I still tend to see it as gate yet. We his readers/guests can only hope so. 

May Hook @CaptainHook be the bridge where Andrew's contacts and JB @John Brawley have failed so far?

I actually have some contacts inside or connected with but quite frankly, I wouldn't find myself to pose there. I am not their ambassador nor worker.

E : -)

[Andrew Reid 6,876]

35 minutes ago, mnewxcv said:

Ok.

How I put up with people like you, I have no idea.

[mnewxcv 48]

4 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

How I put up with people like you, I have no idea.

Just trying to keep the thread on topic, captain. 

[Andrew Reid 6,876]

2 minutes ago, mnewxcv said:

Just trying to keep the thread on topic, captain. 

It's my site. You're not a mod. Am I missing something?

[mnewxcv 48]

2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

It's my site. You're not a mod. Am I missing something?

Not missing anything, no. Just hear to talk cameras.