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I thought the night shots looked pretty good. Obliviously better than the OG camera can do. But most of the daylight stuff was pretty terrible. And yeah the teal, orange grade was a bit much. I don't think the grading was too bad, I think who ever shot the daylight footage screwed up on the exposure side, and that is the best they could pull out of it. Some of the daylight stuff looked good, but very little, so I think is was more operator error than anything, along with the goofy Teal coloring. But too bad, it was an interesting glimpse of a place few have seen.

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EOSHD Pro Color for Sony cameras EOSHD Pro LOG for Sony CamerasEOSHD C-LOG and Film Profiles for All Canon DSLRs

 

 

I have experience as Rob Ellis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8edgNMjj6M) BMMCC (orig.BMPCC fairchild sensor) colors and looks are amazing for my eyes. Just a simple adjustment of contrast and saturation and it's there! not DNG, just simply ProRes

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1 hour ago, tonysss said:

I have also BMMCC, and I repeat myself several times, There is no difference between look and color between RAW and Prores! 

That is good knowledge to know. Thanks. That would certainly make grading easier.

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1 hour ago, tonysss said:

I have also BMMCC, and I repeat myself several times, There is no difference between look and color between RAW and Prores! 

I agree, on my BMCC there wasn't any difference either beside the ProRes being lower resolution. But no additional sharpening, no noise reduction nor colormanagement issues 

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3 hours ago, tonysss said:

I have also BMMCC, and I repeat myself several times, There is no difference between look and color between RAW and Prores! 

It doesn't mean too much how many times you repeat your opinion... It was just little bit misquoting from your side, nothing especial.

And there is noticeable difference between RAW and Prores in texture richness in both cases: BM micro and P4K. To me, both wonderful cameras, where existence of truly RAW solution bring them in front of all other competitive offers.

21 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

The prores does look like mush compared to RAW, though its barely noticeable when not zoomed in 400%, to me at least. That RAW is so sharp lol

As you know, for some usage (reframing etc.) namely 400% is extremely important. RAW vs Prores is upper league of possibility and that few percents of distinctive quality which is either "the must" or "unnecessarily", depends of user and task. (Think of that, for example, as such: superscaling feature of Resolve with 1080p RAW clip may give result similar to 4k in Prores, because of much more initial information...)

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25 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

The prores does look like mush compared to RAW, though its barely noticeable when not zoomed in 400%, to me at least. That RAW is so sharp lol

Looks like he used the standard sharpening setting though, yikes. cDNG looks way smoother when it is set to 0. Almost looks like GH5s footage lol
But there is also more detail (and noise) since there hasn't been any fast spatial noise reduction applied.

The ProRes examples show some halos around his face and nose which are caused by the internal unsharp masking algorithm.

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Seems like BMD isn't open for critic's since Braw/ProRes on the Pocket 4K is perfect.
Since you're here @CaptainHook I may ask for fixing the gamut related issues of the perfect V4 BMD color science as well...

 

Right now I have to convert BMD V4 CS to ACES or IPP2 with some smooth gamut mapping applied.

 

BMD V4 vs ACES.png

BMD V4 vs IPP2.png

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13 hours ago, Geoff CB said:

Some great shots and an interesting edit. But I despise that heavy teal/orange grade.

12 hours ago, tonysss said:

I see that it has done a lot of work, cut is amazing. But filmed it was what ? Fuji? A7III ? GH5 ? A7SII ? BMPC4C ? I still see the same image I don't like ..sorry. 

I am still waiting for something from the BMPCC 4K camera that will fascinate me in the picture ... and yet it doesn't come but it should be on time. 

On the contrary, I find more and more amazing stuff from old BMPCC and BMMCC. (Of course, a lot of waste ). 

I like your RX100 videos the most! the little beast RX100 is also interesting ... 

If I traveled like you, I'd rather have a RX100 in my pocket if BMPCC4K + Sigma 18-35 🙂

 

Potential is one thing. Personal taste, something else.

; )

 

11 hours ago, tonysss said:

 

I dare to disagree with humility, I have absolutely no difference in the image if I shoot Prores or DNG on my BM cameras. The possibility of editing DNG in post is excellent. but the image is still the same!

 

11 hours ago, deezid said:

It isn't.
With Braw and ProRes you get strong sharpening and NR (known as the DSLR look), with cDNG there isn't any - when sharpening set to 0 in Resolve.
With Colorspace V4 you get weird lifeless greens and clipped reds which cannot be recovered. With Red IPP2 or ACES (after pulling back) you get perfect reds and greens.

Small test I made using new Rokinon lenses and cDNG inside Red IPP2 last week - download in 4K
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RRTci4cyRqRsN7vNH1EMEKV1N89AXY9p

 

No idea if I should laugh or cry : D Both statements can end pretty accurate though BTW : -)

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10 hours ago, Shirozina said:

I'm still waiting to see the evidence of this 'strong sharpening and NR'. What exactly is your clip showing? 

I am not Dennis : D but take a look here from this post on:

 

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5 hours ago, deezid said:

Looks like he used the standard sharpening setting though, yikes. cDNG looks way smoother when it is set to 0. Almost looks like GH5s footage lol
But there is also more detail (and noise) since there hasn't been any fast spatial noise reduction applied.

The ProRes examples show some halos around his face and nose which are caused by the internal unsharp masking algorithm.

Do you notice a difference when not cropped?

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10 hours ago, deezid said:

Seems like BMD isn't open for critic's since Braw/ProRes on the Pocket 4K is perfect.
Since you're here @CaptainHook I may ask for fixing the gamut related issues of the perfect V4 BMD color science as well...

 

Right now I have to convert BMD V4 CS to ACES or IPP2 with some smooth gamut mapping applied.

 

BMD V4 vs ACES.png

BMD V4 vs IPP2.png

I'm assuming you weren't actually looking for a response. Hook has been helpful when he's had time. Why go this route? I'd love for his input to remain a part of this forum. Omit the emotion when asking the question so we have a chance at an answer. I know this topic has come up before and he's responded to it. Things are always changing. Lets keep it real in here. Even if I missed something I don't know about, that post isn't getting any of us anywhere. My two cents.

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18 minutes ago, graphicnatured said:

I'm assuming you weren't actually looking for a response. Hook has been helpful when he's had time. Why go this route? I'd love for his input to remain a part of this forum. Omit the emotion when asking the question so we have a chance at an answer. I know this topic has come up before and he's responded to it. Things are always changing. Lets keep it real in here. Even if I missed something I don't know about, that post isn't getting any of us anywhere. My two cents.

Yes, although every competent suggestion from user base is important, I think that's BM own forum is right place for reporting and discussing possible bugs.

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@androidlad good answer.  

Does that mean that the lower parts of the frame on a global reset camera are brighter, due to the slightly longer exposure time?  It could be compensated for in processing, but that would shift the DR slightly.  Although, come to think of it, skies are normally brighter than land, and are normally on top of the land (if you have the camera the right way up) so in a sense it's almost like a soft-edge ND filter :) 

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