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2 minutes ago, A_Urquhart said:

No the Pocket isn't but then, are your Veydra primes dust, splash and freeze resistant? No they are not.

You're seriously not going to sacrifice your expensive lenses out in the weather unprotected just because your cheap body that will be outdates in a few years is weather sealed are you?

Mr. A : that‚Äôs a low blow. ūü§£

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7 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Mr. A : that‚Äôs a low blow. ūü§£

technically its not. but it is a valid point kinda makes all that weather sealing redundant if your too scared to get your lenses wet

¬† +1 to mr A¬† ūüėÄ

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5 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

Make it simple. Buy weather sealed lenses ; -)

But many here shooting MFT like to use Speedboosters. Speedboosters are NOT weather sealed and a camera is only classed as weather sealed when both the body and compatible lens are both sealed. A speedbooster breaks that.

I can make it even simpler..... use protection!

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8 minutes ago, A_Urquhart said:

But many here shooting MFT like to use Speedboosters.

Funny. The use of focal reducers is exactly the major sale point for MFT IMHO. This, affordable light MFT glass. And C-mount bargains on eBay. And...

...Pocket 4K doesn't fit in the category of small camera bodies though ; -)

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Never got the point of weather sealing. If it's raining I don't / can't shoot as rain on the front element that would be visible in the image would be a bigger factor that rain ingress into the camera. If I ever had to shoot in the rain specifically  I'd use a proper rain cover. How does weather sealing work when you change lenses? 

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As with all things, that's so dependent on what and how you shoot. I don't think it's about rain as yes, most people would get a proper cover, but what if you're filming sports, be it skiing, motocross or even nature films in the jungle or the desert. I wouldn't want a full cover, but weather sealing will definitely help against the sand and snow, dust, dirt and moisture.

Obviously you don't change lenses in those conditions, but if you are filming in those conditions you likely have plenty of time to plan what and how you're going to film it. For example, if you want to film a lion in the Savannah, I would strongly advise against a wide angle lens. If you're shooting something in the jungle though, wide angle might be the way to go.

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2 hours ago, A_Urquhart said:

Ah, shame on me for having a few drinks and getting sucked back into this constant debate about what is better!

Firstly, lets just get this out of the way. No camera is better! Is Panasonic still going to sell plenty of GH5's? YES! Is BMD still going to sell plenty of Pocket4K's? YES. 

Hasn't everyone learnt yet that no single camera is a 'GH5 Killer' or '>insert other camera model here< killer? Erh...  GH6?

Now that that's out of the way other than codec the Pocket4k has the following that the GH5s doesn't:

- 5" 1080p screen - if only it could flip... or tilt... Really, no tilt? Guess you'll all be shooting at eye level.. or adding an external monitor.

-  LUT support for viewing or also can be baked into recording - GH5/S can both show custom luts or use baked in Luts (picture profiles).

- Timecode input - GH5S has this option. 

- XLR input with phantom power capability - this is optional on the GH cameras.

- USB-C recording - never wished for this option on a GH5/S.

- CFast recording - Why would I want that on a GH camera?

- Editable metadata for every shot/ file including lenses used, focal length etc etc in each file as it is on the GH5. - It's all recorded and editable in post. 

- Internal RAW - so a codec?

- Soon to get, Internal Blackmagic RAW for 12 bit RAW to SD Cards. BMD have confirmed it will be getting BRAW. - one word "vapooware".

- Proper False Colour (not a silly LUT hack)

- Arguably, but seemingly better colour science.

- A far superior and easier to use menu system. This is a really underrated feature. Shooting with and operating the Pocket is just so much faster than any¬†mirrorless camera.¬†ūüôÉ

- Build quality is arguable too. The Pocket4k uses a polycarbonate / carbon fibre mix. My $6000 mountain bike that gets a heap of abuse has a frame that is also made of plastic/ carbon fibre! It's extremely tough stuff and lightweight. To the uninitiated, the lightness can be confused with 'cheap feeing'. - These are cameras not mountain bikes... why is BMDs UMP not made of the "superior" plastic? All high end cameras are metal. Some cover the metal in a plastic skin... but they are all metal. Watch out... you might unwittingly be one of the ""uninitiated" you speak of. 

- A far superior workflow from capture to edit. - IDK, the ALL-i footage is pretty easy to work with in FCPX.

- Should I list all the features of DaVinci Resolve Studio here? Should I list all the features of FCPX, Adobe PP and AE? How about you just list the bug where it changed aspect ratio after making edits in Fusion?

I could go on and on. The Pocket4k is in it's infancy as a product. There is no reason why a battery grip couldn't be made for it. - your making stuff up now.

Warranty wise, I had issues back in the day with a GH3 and Panasonic were a PITA to deal with for warranty. Had an issue with an UMP and BMD promptly fixed it.

So you had an issue with a 6 year old Panasonic camera and Panasonic wouldn't fix it? Hmmm?

Comparing a mirrorless hybrid to a camera designed more for cine use is really silly. You know most mirrorless cameras also have heaps of features that the Alexa doesn't? Alexa doesn't have AutoFocus, flash support, or NFC, or or dual SD card slots, or work on 100% of gimbals.........is it a bad camera? But where Alexa does win is image, codecs and ease of use for shooting video so it's a bit ridiculous to dismiss these in the Pocket4k as that is what is most important in a cine style camera. Video Codecs are NOT the priority in a hybrid mirrorless camera. While you may look at a spec sheet and see a long list of features on your mirrorless camera, I guarantee that a proper DP, editor or Colourist is not going to give two shits about 99% of those features.

So the $1k P4K should be thought of more like an Alexa mini than a hybrid. That's fantastic.  All you need is a full crew to run it and a multimillion dollar budget. No pesky things like IBIS, OIS or Gimbal compatibility no longer matter. And since you have a team of colorist you can focus on what really matters... RAW!

Who needs AF when you have Focus Pullers? Right?

I'll tell you what this camera is... a bit of a hodgepodge. It leaves out features a single operator would need,  yet poses as a viable option for the same demographic. Go to the website... look how they are marketing it. The guy in the skate park. He'll keep up with the fast paced action with manual focus and no crew. Look at the girl filming on the back of the ATV... with no gimbal and no image stabilization and no AF. The last picture shows a wedding photographer recording handheld... because it's designed to be handheld... we know this because BMD clearly say it on their website. 

I think many will be in for a rude awaking with this camera. 

But hey, if the feature you find on the GH5 are important to you, then just buy a GH5. The great thing is, you can choose what works best for you.

But ultimately, all those features do not contribute to a nice 'cinematic' (I hate that word) image.

I've seen cinematic imagery in 480p... I've seen it in black and white. Cinematography is not a function of a codec... most of it has absolutely nothing to do with the camera. That said, you do need to capture the shot... and that's where those features you dismiss become important. 

I believe in the primary camera role this camera will need a crew. If this is not you... the GH5/S is a better choice with it's useless practicality.

 

 

 

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That just means that you dont get it or proves my point.

That camera kicks your GH5s in the ass all day long, as a kids camera imo. I would never buy a GH5s to a four-year old child. That camera is much better for that imo. 

Same way I think mounting a GH5s under a skateboard is pretty stupid. Or try to shoot the next Star Wars on a Gopro. Or use a s35mm film camera as a surveillance camera.

The "best" camera doesn't exist. Fact :)

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2 hours ago, A_Urquhart said:

No the Pocket isn't but then, are your Veydra primes dust, splash and freeze resistant? No they are not.

You're seriously not going to sacrifice your expensive lenses out in the weather unprotected just because your cheap body that will be outdates in a few years is weather sealed are you?

But freeze resistance is very important for not just few of shooters and I had whole day shooting with Voigtlanders and GH5 at -10C. It seems to me that Veydras are very close or same ih building quality with Voigts... But of course, I don't know how Pocket 4K would beh–įve in such circumstances.

So, argument of @Jon Pais  is not out of reason at least regarding freeze resistance quality of some Panasonic and Olympus cameras.

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Some will say the GH5s looks warmer, more cinematic.

Others will say the Pocket 4K has better motion cadence and color science.

Pixel peepers will say the Pocket has better highlight recovery.

Skeptics will say they're practically indistinguishable.

All I've gotta say is, the GH5s acquits itself quite well and would be a great gift idea for anyone's four year-old niece. :) 

 

 

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