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25 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Why sacrifice EVERYTHING nice about something like a GH5 or X-T3, for JUST RAW? What is it doing for you that 10bit LOG doesn't? Let's get a reality check before people burn their fingers.

Raw is phenomenal ... but not worth dealing with beta firmware and buggy implementation.

Cancelling my preorder ... going to add the GH5s to my Leica SL.

 

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2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

I am just wondering how he can say it's the gold standard, in the same breath of "it's not a low light camera"

It can easily be the 'gold standard at the price point. The images up to ISO4000 are fantastic and 6400 is usable.. I never need to go above ISO4000 for my paid work. For lazy hobbyists that just want to shoot in the dark, get a Sony A7III and shoot 8bit. It's all you need.

Lowlight performance of the Red Epic wan't as good as the A7S but I'd rate the picture of the Epic far above the A7S all day long.

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

You can see THROUGH the camera from top to bottom - it has a HOLE in it.

I've shot with the Red Epic, The Ursa Mini Pro among other cameras that have massive holes in the top. The Epic even has a huge noisy fan in the front that also use to suck all sorts of crap into it, didn't stop me using it in all sorts of conditions.

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

No low battery warning or graceful shutdown procedure, just turns off and corrupts the ProRes file.

Using the supplied BMD LP-E6, the battery icon flashes red and displays the voltage so you know it's time to change batteries. Using Wasabi, this doesn't happen and the meter is unreliable. I will try some genuine Canon batteries and report back but the BMD LP-E6 works fine after a few charges and discharges.

 

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Squeals a high-pitched note randomly. Sometimes just hangs for no reason.

Mine hasn't done this at all. The OS is extremely robust...My Fuji X-T2 on the other hand hangs every now and again forcing you to pull the battery and I've heard the same about the X-T3.

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Why sacrifice EVERYTHING nice about something like a GH5 or X-T3, for JUST RAW? What is it doing for you that 10bit LOG doesn't? Let's get a reality check before people burn their fingers.

It's not just RAW, the ProRes files also look fantastic on the Pocket4K. Absolutely no jaggies on fine hair but still plenty of detail. Very smooth image. As a Fuji shooter, I also love good colour science and the Pocket4K doesn't disappoint.

 

 

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

If you get yours this month, have an X-T3 on standby if you plan to shoot paid work on it.

The X-T3 also has poor battery life and crashes.

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1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

You can see THROUGH the camera from top to bottom - it has a HOLE in it.

Same as the Ursa models. A guy filmed rhinos in the desert and had helicopters blowing dust and sand all around him. Camera was fine.

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1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

If you get yours this month, have an X-T3 on standby if you plan to shoot paid work on it.

Yeah I'm keeping my Gh5 alongside it for a while as a backup cam until im confident it won't fail. Saying that, I would do that with any new camera for paid work

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8 minutes ago, MurtlandPhoto said:

Holy crap they just charged mine as well! Thank you for the heads up. :) 

Have mine on pick up at superstore, still waiting for confirmation but they close in 10min so will def not happen today! God, I kinda wanna go to bed haha

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6 minutes ago, Turboguard said:

Have mine on pick up at superstore, still waiting for confirmation but they close in 10min so will def not happen today! God, I kinda wanna go to bed haha

Haha it's like Christmas Eve my dude. I'll have to wait for shipping, but excited nonetheless. 

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For anyone that's interested, I just plugged my Tentacle Sync E into the mic/TC input of the Pocket4K using a regular male to male stereo minijack cable and the Pocket4K took the timecode no worries. The Pocket4k auto detects the external TC and you get a little EXT TC icon showing you that its synced externally. Nice!

Another good reason to use it as a B Cam over a mirrorless. Despite Plural Eyes (and similar solutions), editors still sigh when they are on set and find out that the B Camera doesn't have TC.

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Yeah there are already reported lock up issues on the XT3, though it seems a simple battery in and out does the trick. That could be annoying if its rigged up on a gimbal or something though. 

This cameras should match the GH5S in low light, with NR. I don't think you'll see any RAW camera that doesn't need NR at high ISO's. Not saying a full frame wouldn't do better but even slog on the A7SII can be noisy. 

 

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Are there any 1080p ProRes tests floating around? I’m searching for a reason to buy the P4K over another Pocket or even a GH5 in a few months, but I haven’t really seen anything that makes it a must have. I’m really hoping the 1080p ProRes will sell me on it. 

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8 minutes ago, mercer said:

Are there any 1080p ProRes tests floating around? I’m searching for a reason to buy the P4K over another Pocket or even a GH5 in a few months, but I haven’t really seen anything that makes it a must have. I’m really hoping the 1080p ProRes will sell me on it. 

If I get mine tomorrow I can do every single test anyone needs on here. I need to learn the camera so what better way than to take requests!

 

Haven’t used the UI since I shot with an UM4K like 2 years ago. So lots of shooting the coming days if I get it!

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36 minutes ago, Turboguard said:

If I get mine tomorrow I can do every single test anyone needs on here. I need to learn the camera so what better way than to take requests!

Could you possibly test the quality, directionality and if there's camera handling noise from the internal mics please?  I've got a suspicion they've done something very clever with them..

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7 minutes ago, kye said:

Could you possibly test the quality, directionality and if there's camera handling noise from the internal mics please?  I've got a suspicion they've done something very clever with them..

Not a trained audio guy really. Know the basics, but can set audio levels and talk in some environments that I would assume would be what you’d try to do with it without external mics.

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Just now, Turboguard said:

Not a trained audio guy really. Know the basics, but can set audio levels and talk in some environments that I would assume would be what you’d try to do with it without external mics.

That would be awesome.  I generally just hold the camera a set distance from my head and then just say "back of the camera" "90 degrees" and "facing straight on" as I turn the camera around and that's enough to get an idea of what kind of rejection quality and handling noise there is.

I'm at the complete opposite end of the spectrum on this camera - if I get one it would be as minimal a setup as possible.  Potentially just the camera and one lens.

Thanks!!

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2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

A heat sink cannot be separate to the stuff it is cooling, so if water or whatever (spiders!?) is going in that massive hole on both top AND bottom it is going to meet up with vital stuff.

I don't think that's true.   A lot of blackmagic cameras have exposed holes, but all of the stuff that is vital to the camera (FGPA, Sensor, etc.) are sealed from dust/weather, etc.

 

I do think that the Pocket 4K is a better option for professional cinema use, but for everyday users I don't think Blackmagic cameras are ideal.  Autofocus, IBIS, rotating screen, etc. are huge features that will greatly benefit the average user more than raw will.

 

If another brand of mirrorless camera would incorporate the BRAW codec then there would be very little reason to buy a Blackmagic cam anymore.

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2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

When BM first got into camera market they had excuses for 'bad behaviour' such as unfinished cameras being released after long delays with the contents of a mouse's dinner behind the mount cap. I am not sure I want to go through it again. Such obvious BS.

Why sacrifice EVERYTHING nice about something like a GH5 or X-T3, for JUST RAW? What is it doing for you that 10bit LOG doesn't? Let's get a reality check before people burn their fingers.

I need to talk to BM and as respectfully as I can tell them to really think about the way they are handling this camera release...from design, to manufacturing, to shipping, to even marketing, it's all flawed and off-putting.

Still a very interesting option but c'mon.

Sounds like a bit of an excuse for them that does!

A heat sink cannot be separate to the stuff it is cooling, so if water or whatever (spiders!?) is going in that massive hole on both top AND bottom it is going to meet up with vital stuff.

Yes it can. Look at any modern computer, usually the proccessor's heat sync is connected by small copper pipes filled with gas to the heat block and on modern computers this can be up to a foot or more away (although usually it's less than a few inches). This property is what allows laptops to be so thin. They could easily use an external heat sync and put a water tight seal around the pipes going to it. 

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13 minutes ago, Joek said:

Yes it can. Look at any modern computer, usually the proccessor's heat sync is connected by small copper pipes filled with gas to the heat block and on modern computers this can be up to a foot or more away (although usually it's less than a few inches). This property is what allows laptops to be so thin. They could easily use an external heat sync and put a water tight seal around the pipes going to it. 

I just think we’re seeing the residue of the earlier outbreak. I love this site, would never wanna get on the bad side of Andrew but I feel like down the pipeline, he’ll probably have one and really enjoy it. 

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