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15 hours ago, Aussie Ash said:

Lol.

I don't agree with everything that was said but I did love this...

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So yeah Frank, we know the price, we know the specs, what’s the point?

Good question, glad that you asked.

The Point is folks complaining all over the net, about not having a IBIS and a flip screen, in a DSLR sized raw/ProRes, internal LUT,  phantom powered XLR audio, Bluetooth controlled, dual gain, 4k, 25600 ISO night sight device, (including a high end grading, editing, audio, compositing DCP program on top of it), that comes for 1,295 bucks.

Are you guys out of your fucking mind?

What’s next? That it doesn’t come in blue?

I'm glad someone is posting this.  Honestly I don't care what people think.  I will buy or pass on a camera based on MY needs.  But for the sake of the engineers at Blackmagic it is nice for someone to point out how absurd the complaints have been after these guys and gals have done so much hard work and brought all of this to us at such a nice price point.

Of course we have to see what the actual image quality is like.  We can't comment on that one way or the other at this time.  But to complain about this HDMI, and that USB C, and this nonrotating screen, and that extra button you can easily ignore, etc. is just bizarre.

9 hours ago, kye said:

Seems like a pretty fair overview of the camera, and interesting that it's more sized like the BMCC rather than original BMPCC.

Yeah.  That graphic really illustrates the dimensions of the camera.  We had the measurements but seeing it laid out like that makes it hit close to home.

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On 4/7/2018 at 10:31 AM, DaveAltizer said:

Side bar, why is there different threads above the general thread? Like black magic cameras and stuff for sale etc. more people view these general posts 

Specifically about the Blackmagic subforum...

The general posts are infested with endless speculation and shitposts. Perfect example: this thread is a 100 pages of garbage with maybe 10ish posts that are worth reading.

Subforum focus is more on technical info, especially solutions to hardware and software quirks. Juan Melara and some other awesome people will occasionally post in the subforum.

It actually works out fairly well. And more often than not a Google search will land you in the subforum. Like a library, lots of good info without the noise.

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16 hours ago, Aussie Ash said:

I think Glencairn really nailed it when discussing AF and IBIS. Unlike battery life and a fully articulating screen, AF and IBIS are features that we often intentionally avoid using. 

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5 hours ago, Nathan Gabriel said:

I think Glencairn really nailed it when discussing AF and IBIS. Unlike battery life and a fully articulating screen, AF and IBIS are features that we often intentionally avoid using. 

who is we? I use them all the time.

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On 19/05/2018 at 5:03 PM, Savannah Miller said:

Width is the real issue as it's 178mm wide, making it one of the widest cameras on the market.  It's as wide as many very big cinema cameras.

If your gimbal has both sides with bars on them it's 99% likely it will not fit.  Ronin-M/DJI M5, etc. Even single-sided gimbals like Zhiyun crane currently have problems but fixes are being implemented.

thanks! bit heavier than gh5 then (what I currently use).  Have a crane 2, which can take the weight. saw someone adapting it using a quick release mounted at 90  degrees.  Not really a run and gun camera, but so might get one anyway 

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6 hours ago, SR said:

Would love to pair the BMPCC4K with this.

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The Crane 2 is 1300 g, the follow focus above 170 g, the remote for the latter weighs 200 g.  

But: keep in mind that because you HAVE to see the image and the Zhiyun's roll motor perfectly blocks the Pocket's display, you'd then need an external monitor (but then again, with smallest battery, the smallHD Focus would add just 230 g, which would make the setup 1900 g sans camera). 

Now the final weight of the BMPCC 4k ist not yet out afaik. Because the pre-production model was made of aluminum and that will be changed to carbon fibre. So the frame itself can be 30-40 % lighter. Let's be optimistic and hope that camera, battery (80 g) and card (20g) are just under 850 g.

Now we talk about 2750 g without lens. Add your lens of choice, but don't forget IR cut filter and ND or variND.

But don't worry. Saw a tut by Brandon Washington on balancing the Canon 1DX Mark ii on the Crane 2 - needs unscrewing parts of the Zhiyun's cradle because this camera is too high. Must be even heavier. And Brandon puts on the same big Tiffen variND I'd also recommend. He carries that on a skateboard, dolly-filming his little son. 

 

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2 hours ago, Axel said:

But: keep in mind that because you HAVE to see the image and the Zhiyun's roll motor perfectly blocks the Pocket's display, you'd then need an external monitor (but then again, with smallest battery, the smallHD Focus would add just 230 g, which would make the setup 1900 g sans camera). 

Could you mount the external monitor on the handle of the gimbal and run a (very flexible) cable to the camera?  I've seen people running cables from fixed microphones or power banks to the camera on a gimbal before and they seem to work.

230g isn't much but every bit counts! :)

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1 hour ago, kye said:

Could you mount the external monitor on the handle of the gimbal and run a (very flexible) cable to the camera?  I've seen people running cables from fixed microphones or power banks to the camera on a gimbal before and they seem to work.

230g isn't much but every bit counts! :)

I guess it's not about having more weight balanced by the gimbal (the Crane 2 is strong), it's about holding all of that with only one hand. I would hate to hold 3-4kg in a single hand (considering the bad leverage when you tilt the gimbal in that hand), we're reaching levels where a two-handed gimbal would make more sense for usability.

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15 hours ago, jonpais said:

who is we? I use them all the time.

My bad I should have said "I" instead of "we". Personally I have never been a fan of autofocus (and don't you use veydras? In fact, when I was thinking about getting my first autofocus lens, you specifically said you couldn't test the sigma 16mm autofocus because you don't like using autofocus). I guess part of me has this obtuse attitude in which I honestly enjoy and prefer manual focusing regardless of the rare situations where autofocus might provided marginally better results. I do enjoy the IBIS on my gx85, but I don't think it is desirable for gimbal use or car mounts. I know you've said otherwise. My point was not to say that AF and IBIS are never useful, but that there are some times when I'd intentionally avoid using them. IBIS can't be fully turned off which can be problematic for some. AF I simply never use (like it's been more than 5 years since I've used AF in anything other than my smartphone and GoPro). At the very least, IBIS is far less important to me than battery life or an articulating screen (if the gh5s were the same price as the pocket, if take it's better life and screen over the pockets codec. But this is a controversial preference I'm sure). I guess I'm open to being converted on the issue of IBIS (pm me some comparisons if you like). AF and IBIS seem nice for quick travel photos with the family, but frivolous for the pocket's intended use. Sorry for the long wandering response.

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"Of course we have to see what the actual image quality is like."

Right.

Which tends to put more err..focus..on other issues, including ergonomics...avoidance of add ons like monitors etc. Different users will have different wants.

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8 hours ago, kye said:

Could you mount the external monitor on the handle of the gimbal and run a (very flexible) cable to the camera?  I've seen people running cables from fixed microphones or power banks to the camera on a gimbal before and they seem to work.

If you have any examples of this handy can you link to them?  I'm thinking of doing something like that with a battery.

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1 hour ago, Damphousse said:

If you have any examples of this handy can you link to them?  I'm thinking of doing something like that with a battery.

I did a quick google and found these - hopefully they're helpful?  Most people are doing this to mount an external microphone, but a battery should be similar.

Skip to about 2:30 in the above for where he connects the external microphone.  Spoiler - making sure the cable has some slack in it is the key.

Here's another example:

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The gimbal will need to have the horsepower to move the cable around, which normally isn't a problem.  If it were me and it was a more permanent part of my setup I'd buy a longer cable and run it from the camera to the handle by attaching it to each moving section of the gimbal, allowing lots of slack at each of the motors to ensure it has the full range of movement.  This would prevent the cable from flapping around or getting caught on anything, but would take some time and effort to setup.

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7 hours ago, Nathan Gabriel said:

My bad I should have said "I" instead of "we". Personally I have never been a fan of autofocus (and don't you use veydras? In fact, when I was thinking about getting my first autofocus lens, you specifically said you couldn't test the sigma 16mm autofocus because you don't like using autofocus). I guess part of me has this obtuse attitude in which I honestly enjoy and prefer manual focusing regardless of the rare situations where autofocus might provided marginally better results. I do enjoy the IBIS on my gx85, but I don't think it is desirable for gimbal use or car mounts. I know you've said otherwise. My point was not to say that AF and IBIS are never useful, but that there are some times when I'd intentionally avoid using them. IBIS can't be fully turned off which can be problematic for some. AF I simply never use (like it's been more than 5 years since I've used AF in anything other than my smartphone and GoPro). At the very least, IBIS is far less important to me than battery life or an articulating screen (if the gh5s were the same price as the pocket, if take it's better life and screen over the pockets codec. But this is a controversial preference I'm sure). I guess I'm open to being converted on the issue of IBIS (pm me some comparisons if you like). AF and IBIS seem nice for quick travel photos with the family, but frivolous for the pocket's intended use. Sorry for the long wandering response.

Your post inspired me to start a new topic about how I see the differences in priorities that film-makers have :)

 

3 hours ago, Damphousse said:

If you have any examples of this handy can you link to them?  I'm thinking of doing something like that with a battery.

Here's an example with a battery...

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It's from this campaign: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gimbal-with-focus-control-skyvideo-pro#/

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