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Oh.  I think it was just people's memory of what was better without comparing the two side-by-side.  The camera was definitely a huge jump above compressed 5d3 video so people tend to remember it as better than it really was.

Maybe it really was that good and I've just forgotten.

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I find all of his comments interesting.

1 hour ago, mercer said:

I’m not comparing the 5D3 to BMCC, I was referring to your statement about it compared to the GH5/GH5s.

Everything I’ve read states that 5D3 is between 11.5-12... which is better than the GH5 and close to the GH5s.

But really I don’t care, I think I just found your comment interesting that the 5D3 looks better but isn’t?

 

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1 hour ago, Savannah Miller said:

Most people didn't have the skill to make the BMCC look good even though it was a better image.

:confused: That describes me. I can't grade. 

Would the P4k be right for me? Although I just admitted that I can't grade? I like the simplicity of the menu. 

1 hour ago, mercer said:

... I just found your comment interesting that the 5D3 looks better but isn’t?

He had put better between quotation marks:

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So compared to GH5, GH5s, even though it looks "better" I would guess that it's quite far behind.

 

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19 minutes ago, Axel said:

:confused: That describes me. I can't grade. 

Would the P4k be right for me? Although I just admitted that I can't grade? I like the simplicity of the menu. 

My experience has been discovering that I also can't grade, but I discovered that Resolve has built-in transforms for C-Log (and name others) and they look lovely to my tastes.

I'd bet that the Pocket 4K will integrate beautifully with Resolve, and simply by using their recommended settings will produce nice images that you can then adjust to taste if you want to do something specific.  If you're not a Resolve user then I'm not sure how easy it will be to get good results..?

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I am a Resolve user.

And I did apply a simple official BM LUT (I think it was labelled "4k" then) on my first Pocket film (short doc about a local hospice for a nursing school) and above that literally didn't change a bit. Was it "better"? It looked okay the way it came out of the camera, skin, shadows, skies, all somewhat analog. Found it okay then, find it better now. "Better", to be exact.

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2 minutes ago, Savannah Miller said:

You don't have to grade with this camera.  It now features an extended video setting which doesn't need grading and looks nice.

Have you already shot with the production model? Because it sure sounds like you already know everything there is to know, including how the files look and everything.

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7 hours ago, Savannah Miller said:

ML Raw at 100 ISO probably has similar dynamic range to GH5 and it's RAW so it has some quality advantages.  Color looks more like what people seem to enjoy working with, so indeed it probably is better, especially how easy it is to use with Adobe Raw interface.  V-Log is likely harder to deal with and takes more work to get that Canon 5d3 look.

ML Raw (even the 7D version I once used) seems to have a similar DR to GH5 except it has a much nicer highlight retention . It's much easier to over expose GH5 footage and ruin shots than MLraw, also the 14bit colour is a pretty huge bonus (no white balance issues). Although the resolution of MLraw is less I don't find it too much different to look at once edited and colour graded. That extra colour info somehow makes up for less resolution a bit. That being said FF 4K ML raw would be amazing... I'm waiting to see how the new BMPCCC and Zcam E2 will look, they might be close to what I like (or not :) ).

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1 hour ago, jonpais said:

Have you already shot with the production model? Because it sure sounds like you already know everything there is to know, including how the files look and everything.

John mentioned it in a previous post.  And it's gen4 color science and Ursa mini menus, so almost the same as the broadcast cam features.

A lot of other manufacturers could easily crush Blackmagic if they wanted to, but I doubt any of them will even try to compete.  Sony has really good sensor tech and they could easily build a small-form factor RAW and Prores shooting camera but they would never do it.

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32 minutes ago, Savannah Miller said:

John mentioned it in a previous post.  And it's gen4 color science and Ursa mini menus, so almost the same as the broadcast cam features.

A lot of other manufacturers could easily crush Blackmagic if they wanted to, but I doubt any of them will even try to compete.  Sony has really good sensor tech and they could easily build a small-form factor RAW and Prores shooting camera but they would never do it.

Now you know what other manufacturers will and won’t do as well? I don’t see BMD crushing anybody here. Sony, Panasonic, Fuji all have their good and bad points, as will the Batcam. You really come across as a raving fan boy already.

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18 hours ago, Jim Giberti said:

Estoy bastante seguro de que los médicos hablan de medicina cuando no están haciendo cirugía y que los pilotos hablan de aviones cuando no están volando.

Y, por cierto ... ¿no deberías estar grabando y trabajando en este momento? ;)

 

You complain about things in the cameras as if they were unusable for them. Relax, while you complain in the forum I work. ;). I'm glad that my comment has removed you inside.

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4 hours ago, Axel said:

:confused: That describes me. I can't grade. 

 

35 minutes ago, TwoScoops said:

How long did you spend trying to learn? Maybe you didn't find the right teaching materials. 

You got me wrong. I know all the tools like the back of my hand. Started with Apples Color, read the whole manual, bought a (Ripple? Lynda?) training, graded. Went on with Color Finesse (as part of AAE, in the short period of a year or so when I was pissed after FCP X launch), then learned Resolve 9, again with van Hurkmans Ripple and (also his) manual. I also entertain myself musing about the best workflows for grading.

It's just that the further I tweak the image the less confident I become as to whether what I'm doing makes things better or worse. I'd better just primary color correct, add a tiny bit of "mood" - and leave it alone. This is almost camera-independent.

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2 minutes ago, Axel said:

 

You got me wrong. I know all the tools like the back of my hand. Started with Apples Color, read the whole manual, bought a (Ripple? Lynda?) training, graded. Went on with Color Finesse (as part of AAE, in the short period of a year or so when I was pissed after FCP X launch), then learned Resolve 9, again with van Hurkmans Ripple and (also his) manual. I also entertain myself musing about the best workflows for grading.

It's just that the further I tweak the image the less confident I become as to whether what I'm doing makes things better or worse. I'd better just primary color correct, add a tiny bit of "mood" - and leave it alone. This is almost camera-independent.

Gotcha. :)

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I've never pre-ordered a camera before but this is $1,585AUD in australia. Thats $1190 USD. THe gh5s is $3350.  Its insane.

BTW does anyone know weight (trying to figure out if it will fit on my gimbal).

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5 hours ago, gethin said:

I've never pre-ordered a camera before but this is $1,585AUD in australia. Thats $1190 USD. THe gh5s is $3350.  Its insane.

BTW does anyone know weight (trying to figure out if it will fit on my gimbal).

760g body

80g roughly for battery

25g roughly for recording media

weigh your favorite lenses

Width is the real issue as it's 178mm wide, making it one of the widest cameras on the market.  It's as wide as many very big cinema cameras.

If your gimbal has both sides with bars on them it's 99% likely it will not fit.  Ronin-M/DJI M5, etc. Even single-sided gimbals like Zhiyun crane currently have problems but fixes are being implemented.

Currently the Tilta G2X and the Ronin-S are confirmed to work.

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One good thing about this new camera is that it would appear that people are starting to sell off their S16 lenses - just stumbled across one seller that has started to sell off stuff & has started bids at .99p! So if you still have an original pocket or the box, this new camera could be very good news & surely the prices of S16 will go down & down & down.

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8 minutes ago, Bioskop.Inc said:

One good thing about this new camera is that it would appear that people are starting to sell off their S16 lenses - just stumbled across one seller that has started to sell off stuff & has started bids at .99p! So if you still have an original pocket or the box, this new camera could be very good news & surely the prices of S16 will go down & down & down.

 

Until BM adds the 2.7K s16 crop in firmware 1.3. :grin:

I saw a Zeiss s16 set (well 4 of them) go for 2700ish a couple of weeks ago.

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1 hour ago, TwoScoops said:

 

Until BM adds the 2.7K s16 crop in firmware 1.3. :grin:

I saw a Zeiss s16 set (well 4 of them) go for 2700ish a couple of weeks ago.

Hopefully, some people will have sold up by then. The inflation of prices became absolutely stupid - lots of opportunists, as always. 

Personally, I don't think they'll do a crop. Going on past form, they stick to what they release - they didn't even do an anamorphic 4:3 crop on the last Pocket, so no chance of them changing tack now (fingers crossed).

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