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23 hours ago, Tone1k said:

 

I'm sure BM will release some footage soon that we can then judge properly.... Until then, everyone's getting worked up over nothing. 

But "nothing" usually provides best foundation for everyone to say/write/add/feel/project "something" important about it.

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2 hours ago, anonim said:

But "nothing" usually provides best foundation for everyone to say/write/add/feel/project "something" important about it.

What's that saying?

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!!

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5 minutes ago, LORDD said:

 

And while people talk about cameras and more cameras, they stop recording and doing work, while others with cameras from 5 years ago, do amazing jobs.

I'm pretty sure that doctors talk about medicine when they're not doing surgery and pilots talk about airplanes when they're not flying.

And by the way...shouldn't you be recording and working right now ;)

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23 hours ago, mercer said:

Make it 40... to me this camera doesn’t even exist. 

Eventually we’ll have footage from John Brawley or Frank Glencairn or Noam Kroll and the footage will look amazing. More people will love it but a few will find something wrong with it...

Eventually card info will be released, and more people will complain.

Eventually AF tests will show up comparing this camera to the PDAF of the a6500 and more people will complain.

Eventually low light tests will show up comparing this camera with the GH5s or the a7sii and more people will complain.

At the end, when it’s released, a bunch of people will complain because they hate that they have to use an IR Cut filter and they will complain that they only get 45-60 minutes of battery life and that they wish it had IBIS...

And eventually the usual suspects will be the only people that have the camera and the footage will be absolutely gorgeous.

The End.

Kind of like the story of MLraw. I still look at footage I shot with MLraw vs GH5 and think it looks better somehow... and that's comparing 1080p to 4K.

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2 hours ago, LORDD said:

 

And while people talk about cameras and more cameras, they stop recording and doing work, while others with cameras from 5 years ago, do amazing jobs.

Stop it... Just stop it... I get it.  You think we are obsessive about gear and instead we should start filming... Well, that might be true, but it doesn't stop the fact that there maybe issues with the blackmagic camera.  This is why we are on this forum.  Hell, do you think I would even touch this forum if I wanted to be 100% productive?  It's like telling fat people, "you know, that cake has 1000 calories".  Fat people already know.. We already know we are obsessive..  If I wanted to be productive, I would have went to some website called, "Get the hell out of the internet, and use your freaking camera that you bought months ago, asswipe".com... Do you see me going to that website right now?  Nope.... QED.  Now, excuse me while I create my indy flim... but first, I need to research for the best camera... :-)

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ML Raw at 100 ISO probably has similar dynamic range to GH5 and it's RAW so it has some quality advantages.  Color looks more like what people seem to enjoy working with, so indeed it probably is better, especially how easy it is to use with Adobe Raw interface.  V-Log is likely harder to deal with and takes more work to get that Canon 5d3 look.

 

But there's no mistaking this Pocket 4K will be much better.

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8 hours ago, tweak said:

Kind of like the story of MLraw. I still look at footage I shot with MLraw vs GH5 and think it looks better somehow... and that's comparing 1080p to 4K.

 

9 minutes ago, Savannah Miller said:

ML Raw at 100 ISO probably has similar dynamic range to GH5 and it's RAW so it has some quality advantages.  Color looks more like what people seem to enjoy working with, so indeed it probably is better, especially how easy it is to use with Adobe Raw interface.  V-Log is likely harder to deal with and takes more work to get that Canon 5d3 look.

But there's no mistaking this Pocket 4K will be much better.

In my head I think of the Pocket 4K is a kind of "Official ML".  

What I mean by this is that it will provide results in the same league as ML (eg, a 4K version of the 3.5K RAW in 5D3) but will be fully supported with documentation etc, will be fully functional (eg, having full realtime monitoring while recording) and will be running the hardware well within its spec (unlike ML which is draining every last drop out of the hardware by pushing it to its limits, or past them in terms of overheating etc).

I don't think it's better than ML, just different because it's for a different purpose.  I have full respect for the wizards behind ML.

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Yeah. Magic lantern would also be better if canon didn't put slow SD card controllers in their cameras.  A lot of the modern Canon cameras that are SD only such as the 6D, etc.have really slow SD card slots much slower than UHS-I standard so a lot of the higher resolutions are not possible.

That being said everyone did seem to think ML looked amazing (and it did compared to compressed Canon video) but side by side even with the old RED MX sensor, it clearly lacks a little bit.

Magic Lantern raw ONLY looks good because the nice color it has when processed with Adobe camera raw.  Otherwise it clearly lacks in dynamic range and overall image latitude compared to even the 10 year old RED MX sensor.  So compared to GH5, GH5s, even though it looks "better" I would guess that it's quite far behind.

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So even though it looks better, it isn’t? Okay... but I’m pretty sure it has about the same DR as both of those cameras... so it looks better and has the same DR. It also has no internal noise reduction or sharpening. It’s also 14bit vs 10bit. It also looks better in only 1080p compared to 4K. So, yeah you’re right it really isn’t better... it just looks “better.”

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5d mark III has around 11 stops of DR.  If you use the HDR mode you get a little more than that.  It's interesting as you can do both HDR and Raw at the same time.

From people that came from DSLR, the BMCC was very hard to use, whereas 5D mark III was a lot easier.  But from a professional standpoint, not being able to playback anything and the overall hacky nature of the 5D3 was a bummer.

Most people didn't have the skill to make the BMCC look good even though it was a better image.

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I’m not comparing the 5D3 to BMCC, I was referring to your statement about it compared to the GH5/GH5s.

Everything I’ve read states that 5D3 is between 11.5-12... which is better than the GH5 and close to the GH5s.

But really I don’t care, I think I just found your comment interesting that the 5D3 looks better but isn’t?

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