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On 7/15/2019 at 8:55 AM, drm said:

I used the P4Ks all day yesterday at a shoot where I was regularly going from outside in direct sunlight, to shady areas, then to indoor areas with varying light. If you plan to use the P4K in a quickly moving shoot, I **strongly** encourage you to mount an external daylight-viewable monitor to your P4K.

The screen on the P4K works great, unless you are in direct sunlight. In direct sunlight, it is basically unusable. I mounted my SmallHD 5" monitor on top to help, but even that wasn't really bright enough. I could have used one of my 7" Ninja Infernos, but they are kinda big when going handheld. I prefer a 5" monitor unless I am on a tripod. I think that I am going to buy the 2200nit Feelworld monitor and try it, just for kicks (it is a 7", but it is light). I could pick up the Atomos Shinobi, but I need HDMI in and out.

 So, for all of you planning to use the P4K in sunlight, you will have to find shade regularly to review your shots, or pick up a bright external monitor. Happy shooting!

After my bright sunlight shoot the other day, I went looking for a brighter portable monitor. I just received the Feelworld 279S monitor (2200nit). It was on sale at Amazon for Primeday for less than $280 for the SDI/HDMI version. This monitor really is viewable in direct sunlight. I have only played with it for a few hours, but this appears to be a pretty decent monitor, particularly for the price. It is fairly well built, but there is a lot of plastic (as you would imagine for the price). As long as you don't drop it, I think it will be fine. There is only a 1/4" mount on the bottom, not the sides or top, so be aware of that when thinking about mounting options. It also only has two function buttons, like for histogram & false color, but you can customize them to your preferred function.

I think that people will have to be careful judging exposure just by looking at the monitor since it is so bright. It does have several exposure tools like false color, histogram, & zebras, so that will help you get exposure right (I didn't see waveforms).

I suspect that I would really like the new Atomos Shinobi (I have Ninja Infernos), but I need HDMI in & out. I am going to place this in my workflow and see how it goes. This is an interesting new toy.

This is a terrible photo that I snapped with my phone that shows you a little bit about how the monitor compares to the monitor in the P4K. The P4K monitor is a little better than it looks in the image if you move around to get an angle with less glare.

 

 

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On 7/13/2019 at 9:30 AM, MeanRevert said:

Jordan, I think you are the yoga king if that non-tiltable, non-movable screen doesn't bother you, my friend.

As the former owner of a GH5, I must say, the tiltable screen was not very usable for me. 1) When you tilt it, the sun reflects directly off of it, so it's unviewable. 2) To tilt it up, you have to flip it out, and when you do that, it makes reaching the lens focus ring with your left hand almost impossible. You have to go under the camera, which is extremely awkward.

I would have much preferred the Sony design, where it tilts without swinging out. The screen was a big factor in me buying the GH5, and I was wildly disappointed.

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2 hours ago, StHubbins said:

As the former owner of a GH5, I must say, the tiltable screen was not very usable for me. 1) When you tilt it, the sun reflects directly off of it, so it's unviewable. 2) To tilt it up, you have to flip it out, and when you do that, it makes reaching the lens focus ring with your left hand almost impossible. You have to go under the camera, which is extremely awkward.

I would have much preferred the Sony design, where it tilts without swinging out. The screen was a big factor in me buying the GH5, and I was wildly disappointed.

I think screens are an impossible challenge.  You either build it so it tilts up and down or so that it flips out and then tilts.  There are pros and cons to both designs, and neither design helps that much in bright sunlight.

I've had times when the flippy screen on the GH5 was a PITA because I wanted to tilt it up but didn't want to basically double the width of the camera.  Other times I've appreciated the fact I could angle the screen more than facing directly up or down, and occasionally I've used it in selfie-mode.  I also routinely use the EVF because it's not bright enough for full sun.

At our current level of technology it's basically an unsolvable problem.

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2 hours ago, kye said:

I think screens are an impossible challenge.  You either build it so it tilts up and down or so that it flips out and then tilts.  There are pros and cons to both designs, and neither design helps that much in bright sunlight.

I've had times when the flippy screen on the GH5 was a PITA because I wanted to tilt it up but didn't want to basically double the width of the camera.  Other times I've appreciated the fact I could angle the screen more than facing directly up or down, and occasionally I've used it in selfie-mode.  I also routinely use the EVF because it's not bright enough for full sun.

I am 100% fun of the tilt up and down design. You can work high or low and maintain a very good balance to work with. For me that is solved.

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Maybe someone will invent a connector that allows the screen to be mounted in either a tilt or floppy type arrangement.  That would be cool.  I'd appreciate having the option depending on what situation I was in.

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2 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

I've probably said it before but whoever makes an HDMI input version of this tiltable EVF will make a fortune.

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Yup, I was searching for a small, hdmi evf for ages the first time I bought the Micro. A small handgrip, a tiny evf, a native m4/3 lens and the Micro would be the tiniest workhorse Cinema Camera around.

 

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4 hours ago, mercer said:

Yup, I was searching for a small, hdmi evf for ages the first time I bought the Micro. A small handgrip, a tiny evf, a native m4/3 lens and the Micro would be the tiniest workhorse Cinema Camera around.

 

Its a pity Sigma haven't done it for the FP as the loupe is an OK solution but adds such a huge bulk to the overall package.

Olympus used to make the older Leica one but I don't know who makes this newer one. 

The guess, of course, would be that its their good friends Panasonic which begs the question why they don't offer it for their own cameras.

 

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4 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

the loupe is an OK solution but adds such a huge bulk to the overall package.

Not to mention that a touchscreen interface becomes somewhat useless.

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11 minutes ago, kye said:

Not to mention that a touchscreen interface becomes somewhat useless.

Now you're just being picky :)

The FP has enough dedicated buttons outside the screen edge to operate it effectively to be fair but even so a flip up option for the loupe would still be welcome.

 

48 minutes ago, independent said:

I remember there was a lot of excitement on here about that EVF when it was about to be announced but a lot of deflation when the price was revealed as it was twice what was anticipated.

Its a well specced unit and a good price relative to others in that sort of market though.

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3 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

I remember there was a lot of excitement on here about that EVF when it was about to be announced but a lot of deflation when the price was revealed as it was twice what was anticipated.

Its a well specced unit and a good price relative to others in that sort of market though.

The 1920x1080 viewfinders are pricey. The Blackmagic is $1500 and the Zacutos are about $2000. If this one was a little less expensive, they would probably sell very well.

If you want to give yourself a heart attack (or a good laugh) go to B&H. Search for "electronic viewfinder", then sort by price from High to Low. There are some *crazy* expensive ones out there.

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7 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

I remember there was a lot of excitement on here about that EVF when it was about to be announced but a lot of deflation when the price was revealed as it was twice what was anticipated.

Its a well specced unit and a good price relative to others in that sort of market though.

While this is of course true, speaking in terms of relativity; I could either buy this EVF, or another P4K for the same(ish) price. And I know which route I'd go. 

I personally don't even feel and EVF is strictly necessary. I've shot with the P4K in very bright sunlight, and while it was a little challenging, it was far from impossible and I got great results. Here's a couple examples, both shot with no external batteries, monitors, hoods etc. Just the camera and 14-140mm Pana lens. Here you can see by the shadows that I'm on the sunny side of the street.

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And here, there are no shadows, which shows the screen would have been hit by direct sunlight. 976198835_ScreenShot2019-07-19at08_20_54.thumb.png.8f23dcac416347e4dbc695a3c7e439ae.png

(Grabs are off YoutTube, so anyone looking for blue sky funniness, it's on compression not the camera)

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33 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

While this is of course true, speaking in terms of relativity; I could either buy this EVF, or another P4K for the same(ish) price. And I know which route I'd go. 

Yep, I think thats exactly where the relativity bit hard with the Portkeys!

Even with the red dot premium, the Leica one is under £400 so it should be possible for someone to bring one to market with the additional electronics and powering for that sort of price which I think makes it a different proposition.

Nice shots by the way.

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