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19 hours ago, froess said:

Is it possible to record the audio from the 3.5mm and mini xlr seperatly? or at least to one to right and another to the left channel?


I'd assume so, I'd be gutted if you can't!

Also the 3.5mm is a stereo input, thus I hope all three channels can be recorded at once! That would be awesome. 

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19 hours ago, Davide Roveri said:

Ok, now the pre-order link is live on CVP's front page.. apparently there are 300+ people looking at it and they sold more than 20 cameras already! :-P 

https://cvp.com/product/blackmagic_pocket_camera_4k


Now it is "361 people have added it to their basket"! :-o

1 minute ago, enny said:

Guys any idea if my metabone ultra 0.71 will work with this new pocket  since sensor is bigger 

 

x0.71 isn't much, works with normal MFT cameras just fine

19 hours ago, Juxx989 said:

BTW Where Can I Buy Some Blackmagic Design Stock?


BMD is privately held. (and I reckon is a major factor in why they can push so hard to be innovative like this)

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3 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

x0.71 isn't much, works with normal MFT cameras just fine

It should be fine in terms of coverage, but Blackmagic cameras have thinner filters, so likely more aberrations.

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19 hours ago, ajay said:

What I find strange is they announce the camera but no footage to show? Where's the sample footage?

Grant filmed and showed footage he'd just taken, all done LIVE during their announcement. 

 

19 hours ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Curious about the weight, not mentioned anywhere.

Because the current cameras shown are not the final weight. They'll be a few hundreds of grams even lighter?
 

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1 hour ago, AaronChicago said:

I wish they would've implemented the tilt/swivel screen, even if it pushed the price up to $1499 with no Resolve license.

there are literally unlimited monitoring options in the market. For the absolute minimum, one can buy a 3.5" - 10" Raspberry pie monitors starting from 20$, and there is a tally telling you if it recording or not, then cheap specialized monitors (not very good ones) start from 100$ and you got an ok Feelworld for less than 200$, and the list goes on, until you go to Focus and Atomos territory. There are 11" ones going for 80-100$ (1080p) that I posted a link on the monitor thread yesterday. 

The selfie monitor doesn't have to be the best quality, you - usually - need it to judge basic things, and you can go bigger (7"?) with these Chinese ones to help, if you are standing 1-2m away from the camera. If you shoot it in front of your face with an ultra wide lens, then those 3.5" IPS monitors I mentioned (I am waiting mine to arrive this, or the next week) are sufficient to judge framing and what not. I got it from amazon.de for 40euros (shipping+ acrylic case) and another 10-15euros for a miniscule 2500mAh credit card power bank. If you shop from ebay or aliexpress, all together reach hardly 30-35$.

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18 hours ago, anonim said:

I have to say - and sorry, It has no anything especially with this quote - that now I really don't understand why GH5 evolves so much antagonism?

Even one glance at calendar will simply show that at the moment when  BMPCC 4k started distribution GH5 will probably be 2 years old camera...


Exactly, the GH5 is having a long run there sitting in the throne! 

 

18 hours ago, Danyyyel said:

We should perhaps lobby them to put a hole for a locking pin, its too annoying whenworking with Dslr and it is always twisting, and they do listen to customers.


This might be the best reasonable suggestion I've seen for the BMPCC4K since its announcement! Fair point. I do indeed hate how they twist around. 

18 hours ago, AaronChicago said:

Can't underestimate how lovely that 5" touchscreen looks. Although it's a bummer that it doesn't swivel, it totally crushes any other mirrorless or DSLR screen.


Shot a music event tonight with my original BMPCC, and oh man does that screen sometimes suck to get good focus/exposure with! 

The bigger screen (and higher resolution I assume, and better quality) would have been so nice! And if only it tilted.... as titling is so very very often useful, not just for vlogging with!

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18 hours ago, MurtlandPhoto said:

According to Grant during the livestream, the camera is actually done development wise. They just have to scope the manufacturing process. I still wouldn't hold my breath for a pre-September release, but I think BM has learned from their past not to be overly optimistic on delivery dates.


Seems strange that they're going to spend SIX MONTHS manufacturing cameras before shipping even the first one?!

 

 

16 hours ago, Turboguard said:

So in response to my previous question. I own only 3 lenses, all Nikon mount, Sigma Art 18-35 and 55-100 and 12mm Rokinon Cine DS. I assume the Sigma ones will work with an adapter as they’re 1.7x right? Any thoughts on the 12mm Rokinon? And using a speedbooster with non FF lenses would just be stupid right?

That is a great little starter selection! And yes, just use adapters to MFT and you'll be all good. 

I recommend one standard Nikon G to MFT, and also a focal reducers such as a RJ Lens Turbo

13 hours ago, Jim Giberti said:

I've heard from one experienced dealer that he expects to see them before Sept. That date is intentionally conservative.

I never pre-order cameras. I pre-ordered this one.


That is what I'm expecting too, that the date was very conservative so even if unexpected delays pop up that BMD still has enough buffer left that they won't risk slipping past that date. 

13 hours ago, Luc said:

"You can even enter the slate information wirelessly via Bluetooth from an iPad using the Blackmagic Camera Control application!"


Ohhhhhhhh! Very very nice. 

I wonder if BMD could partner with MovieSlate  (basically the industry "standard" for tracking data with an iPad app) to share this info directly from the MovieSlate app to the BMD cameras. 

https://www.movie-slate.com

 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/movieslate-8/id959690900?mt=8

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In the interest of another opinion regarding visual effects, which one member here claims is a nightmare with the GH5, here is what Thomas Smet has to say,

Stephen Fleet is a VFX supervisor for a lot of TV shows including Marvels Iron Fist and he loves the GH5 for shooting VFX plates. He is likely more critical of compression and color quality out of any of you and yet loves the GH5 even over the GH5S due to the higher resolution sensor and the out of the box quality it delivers for intense VFX work. So the argument that you need raw for VFX is complete BS. Stephen even found the 150mbps on the GH5 to be just as good for effects work as the 400mbps. That isn't to say the Pocket wouldn't be impressive as well but that the GH5 is still an amazing choice.

 

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21 minutes ago, IronFilm said:


Seems strange that they're going to spend SIX MONTHS manufacturing cameras before shipping even the first one?!

My theory is that they've learned from their past mistakes: massive demand with limited supply, relying on vendors to deliver critical components on time, and poor QC issues. This timeline should hopefully give them the time they need to iron out the manufacturing process. Don't forget the PR disasters of the original Pocket and Ursa Mini launches.  

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1 hour ago, Digitgio said:

Is it confirmed the sensor used ? Is it really the Sony IMX 294 ? Nothing wrong on it but Sony sell it as Surveillance sensor. 

There is a guy named LukeDriftwood that claims:

"I've just confirmed with an industry source that, Pocket Cinema Camera 4K uses the same sensor as GH5S, the IMX294CJK sensor supplied by Sony Semiconductor." 

I don't know him or if what he claims is true, but I find it very likely. 

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I think that Blackmagic has to manage the price of the camera, and price is very good. That sensor has some issue

on HDRmode ( quad bayer encoding) with moving subject, some little blending

That mode is not being supported by video cameras for that reason. This is be reserved for machine vision cameras that use this sensor and need this capability. 

13 hours ago, mercer said:

Am I weirdo for mainly being interested in the 1080p Raw and ProRes? Plus the XLR... that’s just insane at this price point. 

Yes the 1080p is what I am most interested as well since in normal frame rates it is downsampled from 4K. So now in the consumer market we have the GH5/s, A7s* and now the pocketv2 that can produce excellent aliasing/moire free 1080p in camera, but the pocket also offers a much much better codec with little or no sign of digital compression. Not to mention the built in xlr support. 

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1 hour ago, IronFilm said:


I'd assume so, I'd be gutted if you can't!

Also the 3.5mm is a stereo input, thus I hope all three channels can be recorded at once! That would be awesome. 

That would be great. But I'm highly sceptical that it will.

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As frustrated as I am working with thin, hideously over-sharpened files with crappy noise reduction and green skin tones, I still fail to understand the impatience with BMD. Six months isn’t a long time, and we’ve all got cameras to shoot with and brilliant stories to tell. How often do we hear complaints of manufacturers rushing products to market, only to end up being unwitting beta testers? This will give BMD plenty of time to work out the bugs, if there are any. 

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