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Yes, Filippo has become the "name" of this sensor class LOL : )

 

Because BRAW will join Resolve to mainstream name as much as DaVinci was before to be bought ten years ago by their own hand.

https://library.creativecow.net/article.php?author_folder=wilson_tim&article_folder=blackmagic-design_buys_davinci_pt1&page=1

 

CinemaDNG is also ten years old now but looks like pretty clear they didn't feel the need to buy it from Adobe then.

Seems to become outdated now.

 

Blackmagic is what RED declined to be... a proprietary system has the right timing in order to be introduced.

Without mention a mandatory rule they've decided to comply, that is, to let it open.

 

E : -)

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6 minutes ago, kye said:

With IBIS it would be! 😂😂😂

LOL I have the first gimbal designed for P4K under 1 kg and a half for you! ; -)

 

5 minutes ago, wyrlyn said:

but we also lost the uncompressed RAW ability of these cameras.

I thought about that. That's not good indeed, even though, if Peter Jackson didn't need it, will we?

In any case, they should keep it there. You can always install it backwards as you wish and need, I guess, isn't it?

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Grant Petty cracks me up. 

No script, no rehearsal and no retakes. Brilliant. 

UMPII looks great though , much better update than the FS5II. 

With no DNG though, I wonder how they’ll handle the still frame  function. Will check that once I update. 

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1 hour ago, Anaconda_ said:

With no DNG though, I wonder how they’ll handle the still frame  function. Will check that once I update. 

Stills are still DNG, just tried it out. Attached it below! 

And for those interested and don't wanna calculate;

With my T5 1TB I get 153min on both CB 3:1 and CQ0. (4K DCI, 24fps).

CB 5:1 gives me 256min and Q5 is a whopping 611min.

 

A001_03051107_S001.dng

Also, this made me giggle;

 

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This is 1080p 24fps BRAW Q5 (Prores Proxy is almost 4000min lol)

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34 minutes ago, Turboguard said:

So CB 3:1 and QB 0 are both showing 153min, same with CB 12:1 and QB 5 (611min).

But the chart on BMD's website shows different bitrates for them. I know QB is a variable bitrate so does this mean, the number for QB is only an estimate?

Yes, I believe you're right : ) I guess we have now both Q0 and Q5 as the best PRO and casual routes respectively, at least to me. 8:1 as general setting, 12:1 for other than slowmo and non demanding brightness shooting conditions, even though, I'd rather select Q5 instead then.

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source: https://ymcinema.com/2018/11/06/blackmagic-raw-braw-vs-cinema-dng-cdng-comparison-and-insights/

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6 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

What’s the happy medium with space to flexibility ? I was planning on using 8:1 but kinda thinking the QB options might be better

For sure! : ) You might use 8:1 though if you'll want to keep your slowmo or shadows pretty safe.

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1 minute ago, Anaconda_ said:

What’s the happy medium with space to flexibility ? I was planning on using 8:1 but kinda thinking the QB options might be better

I don’t see a reason to use CB over CQ unless you definitely want 5:1 or 8:1. You get alot of footage with CQ 0 and 5. If you shoot 1080p you wouldn’t have to dump footage for a whole day of shooting with a 1TB card. 

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Even 4K. Unless events are your game.

5:1 can save you space in the case you want the highest quality but keep space for it.

3:1 is the new "uncompressed standard" but I'd tend to frankly use Q0 for.

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Well what do you know... I stand corrected. I never thought BM would give B-Raw to the P4K. This camera just got a little more intriguing to me. The fact that you can do 8:1 and 12:1 with SD cards is pretty insane.

With their releases, I wonder if a B-Raw only camera is in the pipeline at even a cheaper price point... I’d love to see a true Micro/Pocket version 2 at around $800. Hell, B-Raw 12:1 up to 48p, under $1000 and they would own the indie camera market. They don’t even need to include ProRes to save some money.

I guess they should fill the preorders before they release a new cheap camera though. 

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27 minutes ago, mercer said:

Well what do you know... I stand corrected. I never thought BM would give B-Raw to the P4K. This camera just got a little more intriguing to me. The fact that you can do 8:1 and 12:1 with SD cards is pretty insane.

With their releases, I wonder if a B-Raw only camera is in the pipeline at even a cheaper price point... I’d love to see a true Micro/Pocket version 2 at around $800. Hell, B-Raw 12:1 up to 48p, under $1000 and they would own the indie camera market. They don’t even need to include ProRes to save some money.

I guess they should fill the preorders before they release a new cheap camera though. 

The full featured P4K is 300$ more, who in the right mind will get a much lesser camera for such a small amount, while the next option is 6500$ more?!

They own the indie market with the P4K, they do not have to go cheaper. I am not even sure if they even can go lower anyway.

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22 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

The full featured P4K is 300$ more, who in the right mind will get a much lesser camera for such a small amount, while the next option is 6500$ more?!

They own the indie market with the P4K, they do not have to go cheaper. I am not even sure if they even can go lower anyway.

I mean I would buy another camera if the formfactor was even half the size. He speaks about micro so. That would be so much fun to bring on a day of just walking around. My husband uses the LX100-2 and I’m a little jealous of how easy he has it when we take our Sunday photography strolls and I need to carry my pocket4k sigma 18-35 combo beast. 

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25 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

The full featured P4K is 300$ more, who in the right mind will get a much lesser camera for such a small amount, while the next option is 6500$ more?!

They own the indie market with the P4K, they do not have to go cheaper. I am not even sure if they even can go lower anyway.

Well, I did say under a thousand... so $800 would be the price point.

And although the P4K is amazing for the price... they don’t own the indie camera market yet. And, and although the P4K is great, it’s still a little big for my tastes, I don’t really want to get into M4/3 at that price point and there are plenty of beginner, zero budget filmmakers that can not afford the $1300 (really $2000 when you add the peripherals) so I was just amusing... hoping that BM will consider a truer Pocket/Micro upgrade. I’m sure they won’t, but a guy can wish right. But I’d Z-Cam can have a C option at $800, I’m sure BM can come up with an ultra low budget option.

JMO.

7 minutes ago, Turboguard said:

I mean I would buy another camera if the formfactor was even half the size. He speaks about micro so. That would be so much fun to bring on a day of just walking around. My husband uses the LX100-2 and I’m a little jealous of how easy he has it when we take our Sunday photography strolls and I need to carry my pocket4k sigma 18-35 combo beast. 

Yup, basically a Micro with a tiny screen. 

I look at all of these new cameras with a very strict “vs” what I already own and what I’ll get with a new camera. And although the P4K is awesome, it really isn’t anything I need and in some ways is a step back from what I already have with a lot more headaches.

So for me, a smaller camera that I’d buy one or two native lenses and use as is with batteries and card media would be a great reason to buy a second camera. As of now the possible Z-Cam E2-C may be that camera but I’d love for there to be a BM option. 

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With BRAW they've put a realistic possibility of an SD card only, screenless, compact version a la BMMCC should be back on the table now

I don't even think it has to be particularly dramatically cheaper than the current one either as its all about the alternative form factor.

Something less power hungry and more easily flyable on a gimbal by virtue of getting rid of that big inflexible screen would get a lot of business as both an alternative to but also as a supplemental B camera for existing owners.

Lets be brutually honest here and say that if it was 20% cheaper than the current one then you'd have TWO cameras and still be up on the deal compared to the cost of more pedestrian hybrid offerings.

 

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