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24 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

The Sigma 18-35mm has become pretty much the de-facto "standard" lens over the past few years and whilst it's lack of IS didn't really matter that much as the camera it was mounted to had IBIS and/or was on a gimbal, it really does matter when neither of those avenues are available.

That's why I think people might want to consider options like that cheap Tamron and the like if they are going to be shooting handheld as, pragmatically speaking, the IS arguably matters more in that context than the pure optical performance advantage of something like the 18-35mm that doesn't have it.

IBIS is not a panacea. It is different than lens IS or a tripod.

I like some lenses to have IS for run n gun and what not. It is very interesting that you suggest the cheap Tamron, how good is the IS? And the touch focus?

The NX 16-50S is 2-2.8f, so it is wider, equally fast in the same focal lengths and a lot more tele, while its stabilization is very very good. 18-35mm is very limited for run n gun.

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9 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

IBIS is not a panacea. It is different than lens IS or a tripod.

I like some lenses to have IS for run n gun and what not. It is very interesting that you suggest the cheap Tamron, how good is the IS? And the touch focus?

The NX 16-50S is 2-2.8f, so it is wider, equally fast in the same focal lengths and a lot more tele, while its stabilization is very very good. 18-35mm is very limited for run n gun.

IBiS can create weird warping effects at the frame edges with wide lenses. It's really a stills feature to prevent camera shake.

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17 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

IBIS is not a panacea. It is different than lens IS or a tripod.

I like some lenses to have IS for run n gun and what not. It is very interesting that you suggest the cheap Tamron, how good is the IS? And the touch focus?

The problem with IBIS is that there is a lot going on under the hood with a lot of cameras regarding lens corrections that can often end up interacting in a negative way when you add the additional corrections from IBIS so its by no means a magic bullet and is dependent on the camera and lens combo on an individual basis.

What I would like to see is manufacturer's doing an integral SteadXP type of option where instead of making the corrections in real time (which are permanent and destructive) the camera instead writes the parameters for the corrections it would have made within the video file.  That way they could then have a plug in where you could fine tune the correction in post.

With regard to the Tamron, like every other adapted lens with the Pocket4K, it offers no AF whatsoever from the camera. ***

So, in this case, all of the focus control of it is driven from the LensRegain handle. It actually more practical this way anyway as it means you can do focus control whilst its recording without disturbing the camera as even with the lightest touch you are going to cause a vibration using the touch screen to do it. Plus, of course, you get the advantage of being able to use the A/B memories on the grip to do pulls to with the transition speed being constantly variable on the controller as you are doing them. 

It also means that when you swap lenses you don't have to mess about re-aligning the focus gears and recalibrating the lens as you do with a servo based system, plus of course you don't have to have a rail system to mount it on. If you then got a gimbal, you could of course just mount the controller to the base of that or an accessory bar and still use it.

With regard to the IS on the Tamron, its perfectly adequate for its focal length and combined with the controller grip mounted as I have it for support its actually a pretty neat system.

At the price they were flogging the LensRegain off for (and still are in the US) and how cheap that lens is used, the whole thing amounts to an f1.8 24-70mm equivalent stabilised lens with electronic follow focus for less than £300.

More than enough money left over for a decent tripod ;) 

 

*** If anyone has an EF adapter that DOES work for AF with the Pocket4K then I'm all ears.

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1 hour ago, BTM_Pix said:

Can't believe you've all forgotten about my prototype electronic variable ND from the summer.

If I'd known you were all prepared to pay $1200 for one I probably would have prioritised it a bit more! 

Shall we say $800 and pretend that cardboard and electrical tape are the new carbon fibre?

 

only if you laquer up the cardboard first, and i'm not pre ordering either  😎

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On 11/3/2018 at 6:49 PM, thephoenix said:

 

God I hate all this "TACTICAL ASSAULT ARMOUR" bro marketing stuff, I'm sure it's a great product, but Red style MONSTER ENERGY WOOOOOOO HIGH FIVE TRIBAL TATTOS marketing puts me of

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31 minutes ago, jgharding said:

God I hate all this "TACTICAL ASSAULT ARMOUR" bro marketing stuff, I'm sure it's a great product, but Red style MONSTER ENERGY WOOOOOOO HIGH FIVE TRIBAL TATTOS marketing puts me of

I wonder if you could also attach the nucleus-N on a smallrig cage. As I am probably going for a smallrig cage instead of the tilta one(because I own smallrig stuff that is already compatible, like top handle and so on). 

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On 11/4/2018 at 6:25 PM, BTM_Pix said:

Incidentally, the lens that is on it is a Tamron 17-50 f2.8, a very underrated and quite lightweight lens which I've had for years and you can pick up used for about £150.

On the Lens Regain it becomes f1.8 with more or less a FF equivalent FOV of 24-70mm so it is ideal as general purpose lens anyway but the icing, of course, is the image stabilisation which makes this whole rig really effective for handheld shooting.

Does it add more than a stop to the brightness? I suddenly see the lens regain online for like $149, so it seems like a great investment. 

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20 minutes ago, sanveer said:

Does it add more than a stop to the brightness? I suddenly see the lens regain online for like $149, so it seems like a great investment. 

Is it? What are the other options? Metabones and N for a total of 1000?

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I still can't work out how to buy on in Europe though. I keep getting a 'cart is empty' message on the US store.

I ONCE got to the address page, but I couldn't select postage outside of US/Canada. Anyone want to hold my hand through the process?

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31 minutes ago, sanveer said:

Does it add more than a stop to the brightness? I suddenly see the lens regain online for like $149, so it seems like a great investment. 

Well...its a strange thing with that particular lens.

The LensRegain is only 1 stop but it reports it as f1.8 and my metabones reports it as f1.9 so its all a bit odd.

Anyway, budget for 1 stop and you won't be disappointed !

Its great value at that price for the Pocket4K because - and again if someone knows different please chime in - the fact that there is nothing other than aperture control from smart adapters for it means that its the only way you are going to get focus control of Canon lenses on it without resorting to a follow focus system and all that that entails rig wise.

Would I recommend it at the original price?

Possibly not but if you can get one at the current price then its certainly a bargain.

12 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

I still can't work out how to buy on in Europe though. I keep getting a 'cart is empty' message on the US store.

I ONCE got to the address page, but I couldn't select postage outside of US/Canada. Anyone want to hold my hand through the process?

I think someone further up the thread said if they used PayPal as a checkout option it worked?

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5 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

I think its a bit of a double whammy in that gimbal options for the Pocket4K (as you can see from this thread and the separate one) are a bit sketchy at the moment as is the lack of IS on a lot of the lenses people are using.

The Sigma 18-35mm has become pretty much the de-facto "standard" lens over the past few years and whilst it's lack of IS didn't really matter that much as the camera it was mounted to had IBIS and/or was on a gimbal, it really does matter when neither of those avenues are available.

That's why I think people might want to consider options like that cheap Tamron and the like if they are going to be shooting handheld as, pragmatically speaking, the IS arguably matters more in that context than the pure optical performance advantage of something like the 18-35mm that doesn't have it.

Or they could treat it like a cinema camera 😂😂😂

Besides, we all know how that song about camera stabilisation went - "if you liked it then you should have put a rig on it".

 

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28 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

someone further up the thread said if they used PayPal as a checkout option it worked?

I can get to checkout that way, but can’t select a delivery address outside US/Canada.

 

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2 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

@BTM_Pix what are the differences between this and the latest version? 

Do you believe it worths the hassle to deliver it from a US address?

The difference between my one and the V2 (which after much confusion appears is the one they are selling off) is that the V2 can control the aperture and focus from the interface unit directly without having to use the controller.

Do I believe its worth the hassle?

I hate recommending things definitively but if you can find a focal reducer that offers electronic focus control of a Canon lens on a Blackmagic Pocket4K for anything less than this one then I'd probably buy it ;)

Unless you want to get involved in rail mounted focus systems there is just no other way currently that you can do focus control on an adapted Canon lens on the Pocket4K.

Now that might well change in the future (if JVC can do AF on my metabones EF adapter then I see no reason why BM can't) but right now I can't see another way with any other adapter.

I have no idea how much the import duty will be for you but if it doubles the price then it is still very good value for money.

Put it this way, the Metabones Smart Adapter I've got that cost double that can only do aperture control with this camera.

The bigger issue seems to be getting hold of one at all in Europe, so if you and @Anaconda_ really want one then the 2 options would be :

1) Get a friendly US forum member to order it and sent it on. I'm going to volunteer @webrunner5 for this :)

or

2) Buy mine off me for €500 now that I've shilled the fuck out of it ! 

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2 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

Well...its a strange thing with that particular lens.

The LensRegain is only 1 stop but it reports it as f1.8 and my metabones reports it as f1.9 so its all a bit odd.

Anyway, budget for 1 stop and you won't be disappointed !

Wow. Thanks for the answer. I genuinely know too little about focal reducers, and I think I may have used one Only Once on the BMPCC (the original), veryyyyy long ago. The idea does fascinate me though and I was trying to create one for my old smartphone (that was until I lost my nikkor lenses, that I had carefully removed from an old Nikon point and shoot). 

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6 hours ago, jgharding said:

God I hate all this "TACTICAL ASSAULT ARMOUR" bro marketing stuff, I'm sure it's a great product, but Red style MONSTER ENERGY WOOOOOOO HIGH FIVE TRIBAL TATTOS marketing puts me of

Haha.

+1

It's ridiculous.

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4 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

I still can't work out how to buy on in Europe though. I keep getting a 'cart is empty' message on the US store.

I ONCE got to the address page, but I couldn't select postage outside of US/Canada. Anyone want to hold my hand through the process?

use this, i use it a lot and it is pretty cool

https://www.shipito.com

 

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