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1 hour ago, Shield3 said:

I just can't buy a FF 1080 only camera in almost 2019.  Just can't.  Would way rather get the A7S III when it's released.  1.2-1.3x crop I could have dealt with.  At launch shooting UHD, the widest you can go natively (without adapters) is 24mm @ F/4 x 1.67 - effectively 40mm @ F/6.7 in FF terms.  Blech.

Just asking, do you have some kind of aversion to Nikon. I mean nearly everything you are asking for is on the z6 for about same price as the eos R.

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5 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

$3000 for a 28-70mm F2

In 4K with the crop factor it is a $3000 49-122mm F3.5.

Not so impressive, huh.

The lenses will become more relevant when they release a high MP stills orientated version next year ( hope they don't just put the 5Ds sensor in it)

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If that is what you use it for than I really don't think it adds anything what so ever compared to previous offerings.

Granted AF is the only thing that would save it, but no Eye AF and limited choice for lenses with the crop, kinda limits the success.

I still say 10bit is wasted on it if all you do is static shots with a heavy crop factor.

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@no_connection Most hollywood productions are locked tripod shots with a S35 crop. I think 10-bit 4:2:2 Log will be very useful in a handful of "static" situations.

@Shield3 Yeah i already aknowledged that.. was only half serious with that comment anyways but since we're getting technical it should be reminded that although DoF increases while cropping, an F1.2 or F2 remains the same as far as light gathering is concerned.. so no stops are lost.

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4 minutes ago, Django said:

@no_connection Most hollywood productions are locked tripod shots with a S35 crop. I think 10-bit 4:2:2 Log will be very useful in a handful of "static" situations.

@Shield3 Yeah i already aknowledged that.. was only half serious with that comment anyways but since we're getting technical it should be reminded that although DoF increases while cropping, an F1.2 or F2 remains the same as far as light gathering is concerned.. so no stops are lost.

How can the light gathering be the same when you're only using the center of the sensor to gather light?  No, it does change.  Next time it rains heavily, put small buckets and large buckets next to one another.  Which one gathers more total water?  The light intensity is the same, but alas, the light gathering is not.

You could make the argument if it were pixel binning (and still using the entire sensor).  But you're not - it's clearly using almost a damn S16 size sensor for UHD.

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To be fair I got excited about the FF Canon ever since I played with the M50 in a store, was something about it that seemed nice when used with EVF. If only Canon didn't refuse to fix all the issues ppl have been complaining about since the a7s.

@DjangoSure most hollywood productions will choose this camera for it's amazing AF ability in crop mode on a tripod. If you remove the AF rec I don't see why you would choose this over anything else out there.

From a video perspective I think it's only strength is (if it can pull it off) nail perfect AF in handheld shots, but that needs lenses that can deal with 4k crop. And probably be stabilized too.

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1 hour ago, Robert Collins said:

Although I think this is the sort of average tech spec that we have come to expect from Canon, I think it has some interesting touches.

1. Adapter with variable ND

2. Wifi transfer of raw to smartphone

3. Additional programmable ring on lenses

4. Programmable touchbar?

You can transfer RAW to Smartphone?! Finally! I can transfer GH5S RAW to phone and the magnitude of stuff you can do with RAW photo is a lot vs jpeg.  EOS R is the 2nd cam that can transfer RAW to smartphone, but with much bigger resolution it will take a lot longer to transfer I suppose

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@no_connection no i don't expect hollywood to be using the EOS R, my point however was that 10-bit 4:2:2 Log has it's relevance, on a tripod, on a gimbal, maybe even handheld with IS. I'll probably mainly be using it in 1080p so the crop/RS isn't even an issue..

@Shield3 that's a common misconception..  the amount of light is the same.  try it yourself by switching from FF to APS-C if your camera has that function, the image doesn't get darker.. same if you crop a photo, doesn't change the lighting.  plenty of videos explaining this, i like this one with the light meter analogy: https://youtu.be/VeQPtk7icjo

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9 minutes ago, Django said:

@no_connection no i don't expect hollywood to be using the EOS R, my point however was that 10-bit 4:2:2 Log has it's relevance, on a tripod, on a gimbal, maybe even handheld with IS. I'll probably mainly be using it in 1080p so the crop/RS isn't even an issue..

@Shield3 that's a common misconception..  the amount of light is the same.  try it yourself by switching from FF to APS-C if your camera has that function, the image doesn't get darker.. same if you crop a photo, doesn't change the lighting.  plenty of videos explaining this, i like this one with the light meter analogy: https://youtu.be/VeQPtk7icjo

Wrong it's simple physics.  Go find a dark room on a sunny day.  Punch a small hole in the wall, then a large one.  Which one illuminates the room more?  It's not rocket science.  Light intensity is the same but the gathering is *not*.  All things being equal with sensors (exact same technology) a FF will gather ~2.2 stops more light than an APS-C one.  I don't have cameras that allow me to toggle between FF and APS-C, but the image quality / read noise will be worse and/or the ISO will go up to compensate.  Sorry you don't believe this, but it's really not tough.  A large mirror will reflect more light than a small one.  Think about this for a minute - the EOS R is *only* using the very center of the sensor to gather light.

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Surprise surprise, the Nikon Z6 is still a better and cheaper camera for us filmmakers than the newly announced Canon EOS R!

Sure, it gained 10bit output and log (just like the Nikon Z6), but it basically is still a Canon 5Dmk4 (which means an awful crop, so why bother buying a FF camera in the first place? And no IBIS!).

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So... it's a camera for AF-snobs and vloggers... mmkai. Not for me then. Couldn't afford those lenses anyways, lol.

They're on some kind of premo schtuff there at Canon. Not sure if weed, crack or a combination of exotic substances. 'In-camera Digital Lens Optimizer'... that 4K crop... but hey, it will probably still sell like hotcakes. Blame the people that keep buying their shit. Flippin' enablers. Maybe we should organize an intervention, ey?

> https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/stories/eos-r-nicolai-brix-video/ ... lol

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And if you use an old EF lens without stabilisation, you get the EOS R’s digital image stabilisation, and that’s a huge advantage – the camera actually improves my existing lenses. [..]

Why would a professional videographer use a full-frame mirrorless system?

[..] The Canon EOS R is a future-proof camera because 4K is getting more and more wanted by clients, so it will definitely be a useful system for me.

So full of it. 😓

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2 minutes ago, Cinegain said:

So... it's a camera for AF-snobs and vloggers... mmkai. Not for me then. Couldn't afford those lenses anyways, lol.

The flip out screen is the hint for vloggers.

That is one thing that I hope Nikon/Sony respond to! It trully is helpful for vlogging

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3 minutes ago, Cinegain said:

So... it's a camera for AF-snobs and vloggers... mmkai. Not for me then. Couldn't afford those lenses anyways, lol.

They're on some kind of premo schtuff there at Canon. Not sure if weed, crack or a combination of exotic substances. 'In-camera Digital Lens Optimizer'... that 4K crop... but hey, it will probably still sell like hotcakes. Blame the people that keep buying their shit. Flippin' enablers. Maybe we should organize an intervention, ey?

> https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/stories/eos-r-nicolai-brix-video/ ... lol

Like Jordan Drake says, hope they stock up on those 10-18mm lenses.

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3 hours ago, Shield3 said:

I make a good living and was ready to hand B&H my CC# for one + the 35 1.8 and the 28-70 F/2.  I told myself I would not if the crop was worse that 1.4-1.5 in UHD.  Canon shot themselves in the foot again.

Canon is like the EX you broke up with a couple years ago - she comes back around every so often - you have a good one night fling and romanticize about the past.  Go out to dinner, talk about the 5d3 raw back in 2013, hop into bed.  Then the next day you hear she's still doing drugs - hasn't changed at all.  :)  There's a reason you two broke up.

I wanted to be wrong here - haven't been excited about a camera for a while - I hate the Sony colors and overheating, hate Panasonic's shitty AF, etc.


Pretty Nikon colors with great AF is whispering its name into your ear.....

 

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3 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Like Jordan Drake says, hope they stock up on those 10-18mm lenses.

Actually bought one like 3 months ago. Still haven't tried using it with that Viltrox EF-M2. Might as well sell it for a profit now. lol

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9 minutes ago, IronFilm said:


Pretty Nikon colors with great AF is whispering its name into your ear.....

 

I've done Panasonic, Canon, Sony, Samsung.  May have to look into Nikon since Canon is wasting my time here.

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Don't worry about the body, they can add full sensor read out and IBIS in next generation. The important thing is that I think they're asking too much for that 50mm f/1.2. Sure its super corrected glass but this kind of pricing automatically gives green light to others (Nikon, Sony) to charge the same for their upcoming f/1.2 primes. Whats the point of new tech if its out of reach? 

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