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23 minutes ago, Shield3 said:

Guess you never read any Shakespeare.  Some mouth on you Mercer - geesh. 

The frustrating part for me is you know damn well Canon *could have* done better with this one.  No 4k60?  No 1080p120?  The a6000 had the latter, and the 2 year old 1dxII had the former upon release.  I always have considered myself a Canon person at heart - just so pissed they're holding back - they're not listening to customers like Sony and it shows.  Canon needs a shake-up in the upper mgmt/marketing area more than anything else.  Push the damn envelope.  Had this been released in 2014 there would be a lot less complaining.  Not very many Canon non-cinema bodies have an EVF - and it's tough to see the back of the body in good light (and I'm tired of loupes and heavy external EVFs).  Only one we had was the XC10 - I had it for a couple of months and just didn't love the image.  So yeah - a few of us were serious buyers and looking forward to this, and mostly frustrated that Canon thinks they know better than we (the collective consumer).

Sorry, I’m feeling feisty today.

But yeah I’m not gonna lie and say I love this camera, but I can’t say it doesn’t intrigue me a little and it does have a bunch of pluses.

As far as 4K 60p... well that was never going to happen, so I can hardly consider that a flaw. The a6000 doesn’t have 120p in 1080p but yes I get your point, 120p would have been a good move, although I would rarely use it. 

People keep saying that Canon intentionally cripples their cameras but I’m not so sure it’s intentional. They have delivered DPAF into their cheapest consumer DSLRs. But more importantly, they’re here to make money and I don’t know if I buy the argument that Canon thinks they are hurting their Cinema line by not including features in their consumer line. Why would Canon not want to capitalize off of one of their biggest markets... hobbyist/enthusiasts?

Most likely, they don’t have the processing speed to accommodate no crop in this body without putting a weird 4K time limit of 10 minutes on the recordings. Look at Fuji, even with a minor crop of S35mm, they still have a time limit.

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7 minutes ago, mercer said:

Most likely, they don’t have the processing speed to accommodate no crop in this body without putting a weird 4K time limit of 10 minutes on the recordings. Look at Fuji, even with a minor crop of S35mm, they still have a time limit.

Time limits are usually put in place for two reasons. 

  • To skirt some retarded EU import tax laws
  • Thermal safeguard.

 

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43 minutes ago, Dan Sherman said:

Time limits are usually put in place for two reasons. 

  • To skirt some retarded EU import tax laws
  • Thermal safeguard.

 

For Fuji at least the 10min limit is thermal protection for the battery, hence the extended time with the battery grip (which houses two extra batteries.) Sometimes I wish Fuji would change their batteries, but then I have 10 of them now...

1 hour ago, KnightsFan said:

 

the 4K crop is a deal breaker. The only reason I'd upgrade from my apsc is to get full frame. I shoot photos an video, sometimes in quick succession. I can't have my current lens behave differently depending on the mode I'm in. I'd rather just stick with apsc. 

 

I just got an X-H1 for this very reason — I have an upcoming job where for every stills shot they needed a motion equivalent, and we’re working in real locations around people working so it was just easier to have a camera that can handle both stills and motion in exactly the same way. I previously did a similar job where I shot with my D800 and C100mk2, and the switching back and forth did my head in. 

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I guess you were shooting 1080p because XH1 has a 4K crop. In fact it's almost the exact same crop (1.7x). It's less noticeable with native lenses cuz they're made for APS-C but it wouldn't be the ideal candidate for that type of job, again unless you're shooting 1080p in which case the EOS R would also not give you a crop in between stills/video.

 

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2 hours ago, shorty15 said:

Why are people so pissed off about this camera? This is a photography camera. Its designed to take stills. Video is and should be an afterthought. Why are people using mirrorless cameras for video work? The form factor sucks.

This place is all about the DSLR/small video camera revolution, carrying a C100 is just not and option for obvious reasons. DSRL video has many advantages:

- Small and lightweight, great for travel and low profile stuff (nature, urban, )
- FF instead of S35 sensor (DOF, better low light performances)
- Can fit on a small gimbal
- Way less expensive than pro camera
- Ability to conveniently switch between video and still mode instead of carrying two cameras

 

1 hour ago, Django said:

I knew all hell was gonna break lose today and everybody is entitled their opinions but calling people morons for being interested in purchasing this camera, or calling it a rip-off is just wrong & uncalled for. People have the right to be interested in this camera and nobody is forcing them to buy it. We all have different needs & backgrounds. So let's just all settlle down shall we?

+1, nothing wrong if people like this camera. Good for them. Everybody has different needs.

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14 minutes ago, Django said:

I guess you were shooting 1080p because XH1 has a 4K crop. In fact it's almost the exact same crop (1.7x). It's less noticeable with native lenses cuz they're made for APS-C but it wouldn't be the ideal candidate for that type of job, again unless you're shooting 1080p in which case the EOS R would also not give you a crop in between stills/video.

 

Yeah, the problem I have with the crop is switching back and forth, not that it's there. It's easy enough to take an apsc photo and then take an apsc (or slightly smaller) video. It's a lot harder to take a full frame photo, and then immediately take an apsc video on the same lens at the same event.

Of course, i could take cropped photos so that they match the video but then why get ff at all?

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@mercer fair enough, there is for sure too much bashing/trolling on the web, for camera and everything else, and some people have the hobby of doing that for doing it. 

I am in the market for a FF mirrorless after I returned the A7III waiting for Nikon, Canon, A7S3 and now Panasonic seing what they have to offer. I am bashing Canon because I am heavily frustrated and disappointed by their way of doing things. I am overly reacting of course who cares it’s a camera... but that’s a forum and I am insulting a brand not someone so that’s fine :).

All those discussions might be seen by canon at some point. It’s like voting for your country you know. As an individual you might think it changes nothing to vote, but if everybody does it then ...

 

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3 minutes ago, KnightsFan said:

Yeah, the problem I have with the crop is switching back and forth, not that it's there. It's easy enough to take an apsc photo and then take an apsc (or slightly smaller) video. It's a lot harder to take a full frame photo, and then immediately take an apsc video on the same lens at the same event.

Of course, i could take cropped photos so that they match the video but then why get ff at all?

 

Only workaround is simply to shoot 1080p. FF stills & video. Obviously not the camera for FF 4K. That boat sailed (or should i say sunk) about 20 hours ago!

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Yeah, when will people learn exactly?

$5600 just to get up and shooting with a 50mm, that is a wobbly un-stabilized 90mm in video mode.

Why not buy a Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 4.6K for that much?

Or spend it on a Sony / Nikon or Panasonic?

I hope the EOS R disaster is a wake-up call for Canon fans.

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Anyone else see the official canon video stating that the RF line will not end up replacing the EF, but just another choice? They obviously left out the dual card slot to prevent it from being a pro still choice and enraging current 5d iv owners. I really want to just go Sony or Nikon, but im not going to buy old nikon dslr glass to adapt, or wait 3 years for them to make faster mirrorless primes. Sony has everything on paper, but that af still isn't good enough in video (breathing, problems with inanimate objects etc.), colors and terrible looking 120p fhd. 

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12 minutes ago, Snowbro said:

Anyone else see the official canon video stating that the RF line will not end up replacing the EF, but just another choice? They obviously left out the dual card slot to prevent it from being a pro still choice and enraging current 5d iv owners. I really want to just go Sony or Nikon, but im not going to buy old nikon dslr glass to adapt, or wait 3 years for them to make faster mirrorless primes. Sony has everything on paper, but that af still isn't good enough in video (breathing, problems with inanimate objects etc.), colors and terrible looking 120p fhd. 

Yeah, I'm with you. Colors + focus is still unbeatable IMO. Sony is getting there, but still needs some time. 

Another thing for me, as stupid as that sounds - the swivel screen. I really like it for shooting and it's something I am very happy to see in the EOS R. There just aren't many pro cameras (Sony, Nikon, Canon) out there that have it. Sure, Panasonic ones do, but AF of the GH5 is horrendous. I'm having high hopes for Panasonics FF camera now and hope they incorporate a lot of the design learnings from the GH5 into it.

Just really worried about the focus system... I want it to be good but I fear it's not going to be able to match with Sony 

My wish list for any camera:

  • Good AF 
  • Swivel screen
  • 1080p/120fps, 4k/30fps 4:2:2
  • (IBIS)

 

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1 hour ago, Django said:

I guess you were shooting 1080p because XH1 has a 4K crop. In fact it's almost the exact same crop (1.7x). It's less noticeable with native lenses cuz they're made for APS-C but it wouldn't be the ideal candidate for that type of job, again unless you're shooting 1080p in which case the EOS R would also not give you a crop in between stills/video.

 

But the 4k Crop is 1.17x from APS-C, so 1.5x to 1.76x -- it's a tiny crop compared to 1x to 1.7x. My 16mm becomes an 18.7mm, so in full frame terms it's going 24mm to a 28mm. I can handle that. But with the EOS R it would turn my 24mm to a 40mm, which is a completely different lens.

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