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regarding the macro blocking, its been quite sunny today. i took the bmp4k outside and shot some blue skies about 14 seconds worth,  its ungraded, unedited. what sort of file sizes are you guys looking for to test video at ? i can upload it and supply a link, i figure you guys can play with it and break it if you want see whether macro blocking is an issue with an original 6.1 camera or not. i personally dont really know what im doing as yet but i can supply the footage at least i guess.

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20 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Jesus @Emanuel is one of the biggest owners, boosters on here for the PK4. He probably knows about 50 times more about video than you do. And Hook is on here all the time. You are a silly bastard.

Web the last time I heard of Hook on this site was  when Emanuel accused Grant Petty of "using a kindergarten to get staff from" Do you actually know Grant Petty and his philosophy towards the industry he's turned upside down?...probably not. Grant couldn't give two hoots about you or Emanuel Whoezbuts or this site.  If he knows 50 times more than me thats cool, because I've spent 35 years doing the same gig as you with Network TV. Most people on this site don't know what a line cross is? Call me a silly bastard is ok, but I read your previous comments towards BMD and you are very American. Actually  I might reach out to JB, Hook, and Grant via Lemac in Melbourne, as I worked with John Bowring a lot in the 80'90's. 

 

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1 hour ago, harry henry said:

Web the last time I heard of Hook on this site was  when Emanuel accused Grant Petty of "using a kindergarten to get staff from" Do you actually know Grant Petty and his philosophy towards the industry he's turned upside down?...probably not. Grant couldn't give two hoots about you or Emanuel Whoezbuts or this site.  If he knows 50 times more than me thats cool, because I've spent 35 years doing the same gig as you with Network TV. Most people on this site don't know what a line cross is? Call me a silly bastard is ok, but I read your previous comments towards BMD and you are very American. Actually  I might reach out to JB, Hook, and Grant via Lemac in Melbourne, as I worked with John Bowring a lot in the 80'90's. 

 

Well I guess Hook and Emanuel Do have a pissing contest going. I would have to lean toward Hook being more right lol.  And apologize for calling you names. But Hook is somewhat active on here. I don't know as much about the PK4 as people that own it. Seems like a nice camera, I just can't seem to get excited about it. But I can see why people are pissed about the Cdng, bRaw thing.

Oh I do think this site has influence over the PK4. If we say it is total shit they are not going to do too well with it. We have not said that, it seems with a few warts to be a great camera, and I bet it Has helped sales for them. A lot of traffic on this site, tire kickers and such. But BMD had a terrible Rollout, and that didn't help in the beginning. Turned me off on it I will be honest about it. And now this LCD stuff is even a bigger turnoff. I have no need for bRaw.

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1 hour ago, harry henry said:

Most people on this site don't know what a line cross is?

Damn. I might be one of them. Is it the same as the 180 degree rule? 

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Despite the issues I am going to be getting the camera soon. The price/value ratio is just incredibly high no matter how you look at it. BM is now really the only one competing against RED with a compressed RAW format. The Pocket is of course cheaper than even the RED one and probably performs better.  I of course hope they solve these current issues but even if not its still a solid camera. 

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On 7/6/2019 at 12:07 PM, harry henry said:

He didn't impress you when you had a BMD meltdown a couple of months ago when you werent invited to the party. Grant, JB, and Hook probably don't monitor this site anymore .  

Grant Petty has nothing to do with the decisions made in PR in Knutsford. And to be fair to Blackmagic, said PR team were apologetic afterwards and in favour of reaching out. I believe it would be a very constructive relationship if they genuinely put some effort in.

JB's rudeness on here is legendary, but it's in the past as far as I'm concerned, we as a community moved on from him.

Hook contributed straight forward answers and good info.

There are far more viewers than contributors in this post.

How about some more constructive contributors to satisfy that audience of 1 million who have tuned in?

Those people who are posting good info is what this thread and indeed whole forum are about.

The bitching should always take a backseat.

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And it has happened like that : ) Who accepts bitching over here...?!

 

The point is when people take positive criticism as anything negative and start to biasedly counterattack... Pure nonsense. What for BTW?!

Truth should universally be at the ship's command column, this doesn't rule out a diversity of angles over the same subject in respect of fairness though.

B&W portraits can variably shine but only in 100% under required circumstances ; ) The idea 'who's not with me is against me' is proper of a totalitarian mindset, not suitable to any healthy discussion and progress. Nothing valid comes from facts distortion. From egos either. Let alone ad hominem attacks!

 

Perspective is always useful and welcome, I always want and tend to believe : -)

That said, to ignore or undervalue this capture device (my fav cam ever as so many times written) is absolutely unfair. As much as the most fanatic opposite side.

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I can't replicate the issue with blue sky clips. I attached a BRAW frame. Maybe I'm missing something. Only thing I can see is a lens that needs cleaning, lol.

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Pushed it a bit here to see if I could see anything, but still don't. I'll be the first to admit my eyes aren't what they used to be, though! Looking at this image after it posted, any artifacts appear to be from web compression, perhaps. It looks pretty clean to me on my monitor. 

 

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This blue sky subtopic is a mystery still to be cleared up as it seems. The fact people has found it along cDNG proves is not exactly related to braw. I wonder if that's not something coming from some user settings anyway? Something that under other circumstances may bring some distinct outcome and overcome the issue? It would be rather interesting to discover it : -)

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14 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

This blue sky subtopic is a mystery still to be cleared up as it seems. The fact people has found it along cDNG proves is not exactly related to braw. I wonder if that's not something coming from some user settings anyway? Something that under other circumstances may bring some distinct outcome and overcome the issue? It would be rather interesting to discover it : -)

I don't know, but I'll surely be looking out for it with all my cameras. I don't recall ever seeing it though.

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51 minutes ago, graphicnatured said:

I don't know, but I'll surely be looking out for it with all my cameras. I don't recall ever seeing it though.

I also wonder if that's happening with all them...?! Some report it, some others don't. I didn't test it so far. I suppose there are some answers to honestly address yet.

Does it affect both 4K and 1080p as for instance?

The fact that crosses all formats available from cDNG to ProRes makes me think is nothing related to some particular codec. What about the encode processing, can we say anything on the killer fog or there won't be any issues related whatsoever? I am not engineer, so what do I know!?

Perhaps some other users with wider knowledge can add some light on topic? : -)

 

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I have shot a plenty blue sky in CDNG and Braw and didn't find any macro blocking. So, before jumping to the conclusion that it's a camera issue, everyone one should do it's own test. (As I was the first to raise the red clipping issue, months ago, and felt the sweet anger of many BM fanboys who couldn't believe that the camera could have its flaws, I know what I'm talking about...)

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On 6/25/2019 at 10:29 AM, Samirawale said:

Thinking to replace my GH5s with the pocket 4K guys ? What do you think ? Im all about short films and music videos. 

I would not suggest that most people swap the GH5s for the P4K. I have several P4Ks, the GH5, & the GH5s cameras. I use them daily and I like the GH5s and the P4K both very much. The GH5s & the P4K are totally different animals, each with strengths. If I am doing a run & gun type event, I regularly take the GH5s cameras, as they are easy to use, have great battery life, and can produce great images straight out of camera. If I am filming a music video, interview, or similar, I regularly take the P4Ks. The P4Ks allow you to record RAW and produce lovely footage, but they require lots of attention to get great results. They also have lots of issues like focus issues (slow), handling, poor battery life, gimbal balance issues, post processing, etc. The GH5s is much easier to just grab, shoot, and produce great results straight out of camera.

As long as you are aware of the P4K limitations, and are aware of the post processing requirements, you should love the P4K. It is capable of producing amazing footage.

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5 hours ago, drm said:

I would not suggest that most people swap the GH5s for the P4K. I have several P4Ks, the GH5, & the GH5s cameras. I use them daily and I like the GH5s and the P4K both very much. The GH5s & the P4K are totally different animals, each with strengths. If I am doing a run & gun type event, I regularly take the GH5s cameras, as they are easy to use, have great battery life, and can produce great images straight out of camera. If I am filming a music video, interview, or similar, I regularly take the P4Ks. The P4Ks allow you to record RAW and produce lovely footage, but they require lots of attention to get great results. They also have lots of issues like focus issues (slow), handling, poor battery life, gimbal balance issues, post processing, etc. The GH5s is much easier to just grab, shoot, and produce great results straight out of camera.

As long as you are aware of the P4K limitations, and are aware of the post processing requirements, you should love the P4K. It is capable of producing amazing footage.

 

my recommendation is: definitely not selling GH5, it's currently an irreplaceable worker, ideal to have on the shelf: GH5, BMPCC4K, and old BMMCC  😄

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