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41 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

He could make a million dollars a year. 
$5K is still $5K 
(Only 120hrs on the camera!)

And as he said in the video, he mentioned it didn't make financial sense even for him! And was probably a mistake for him to buy. 

 

Yeah, he said something very similar to this during the video. 

 

I’ve wasted more money than that in a year and a half. He’ll get over it.

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16 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I think its crying out for a 3D printed DIY battery grip with a high capacity power bank in it.

 Even just buying this £34 kit and rehousing it would do as it has not far off the capacity of it is not far off 5 batteries.

With enough space left over for an additional XLR input to connect to the 3.5mm socket and a more robust home for the USB-C drive.

A grip with built in space for 15mm rails would be ideal. As otherwise a battery grip underneath can through off the heights for everything, but if the correct rails height is built in from the start then this would help reduce that problem a little 

Just now, jonpais said:

I’ve wasted more money than that in a year and a half. He’ll get over it.

Missing my point. 
It was still money wasted for him. 

Once you realize you're wasting money, what should you do? Stop!

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33 minutes ago, Jonathan Lee said:

There are now 4 more films that have been uploaded to the Official Blackmagic Design Gallery for the Pocket 4K.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/au/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/gallery

Jesus Christ, those look good ... Also of course it was Film Convert, Jon Pais, thanks! Don't know why I didn't think of that, I own the software even, haha.

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That file that Philip Bloom uploaded is pretty interesting.

I have very little experience with grading high-end footage, but this seems to be really gradable and very difficult to break.

Here's a frame without any processing linked at the bottom of this post.

and the waveform:

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If I adjust levels to use the full height then I get this:

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and using contrast and pivot we can push it up or down a really long way...

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There is a little noise there on the guys jacket, but it doesn't look like fixed pattern, and this is pushing it until it breaks.  Crazy stuff.

Thanks to Philip Bloom for the file :)

PB BMPCC4K test footage Untouched_1.1.1.tif

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57 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

A grip with built in space for 15mm rails would be ideal. As otherwise a battery grip underneath can through off the heights for everything, but if the correct rails height is built in from the start then this would help reduce that problem a little 

My guesstimate based off the BM spec sheet is that to maintain the 85mm rail centre point if the rails went through at its halfway point, then the battery pack/base unit would be 75mm high.

Thats actually plenty of room to accommodate a very decent capacity power bank, the additional XLR and some interesting other additions....

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I haven't watched any BMPCC4K footage yet. No videos, no test, no reviews, no nothing. All ive seen is the thumbnails in this thread. Never pressed play.
Because I was afraid it would spark an unbelievable case of G.A.S. And I was so proud of myself for canceling my preorder (was among the first in line).

Then I decided to download the tif-file above. Playing with it in Lightroom was ok. Feels like a decent image. Until you realize its a video frame... wow!
The quality is pretty darn crazy. The noise is.. not there. Mind officially blown.

419915456_PBBMPCC4KtestfootageUntouched_1.1.1.thumb.jpg.dbee05dc02447bfaf91b6e0993ea956c.jpg

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5 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

I haven't watched any BMPCC4K footage yet. No videos, no test, no reviews, no nothing. All ive seen is the thumbnails in this thread. Never pressed play.
Because I was afraid it would spark an unbelievable case of G.A.S. And I was so proud of myself for canceling my preorder (was among the first in line).

Then I decided to download the tif-file above. Playing with it in Lightroom was ok. Feels like a decent image. Until you realize its a video frame... wow!
The quality is pretty darn crazy. The noise is.. not there. Mind officially blown.

419915456_PBBMPCC4KtestfootageUntouched_1.1.1.thumb.jpg.dbee05dc02447bfaf91b6e0993ea956c.jpg

You could have passed me your place in the line. 😄

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I probably could have made an easy buck by flipping the camera the same day :)

Ive seen a lot of c100ii and A7x shooters talk about it Sweden. Some of which I know are gonna be disappointed, they don't understand what they are getting into. These guys are pros but more about content. They don't hang out on forums and they only know the specs from the box.

When these type of fellows decide to sell it again and move back to a DSLR or more run-n-gun friendly camera I will be ready to do some serious haggling :)

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It's strange - I was expecting to love the images from this camera, I was expecting to have a burning desire to order one, and yet watching the videos so far I feel nothing.

Maybe it shows how much the other camera manufacturers have caught up but I don't see a lot more here over my GH5, or any of the Sony cameras. This is coming from a previous owner/operator of the BMPCC and Ursa Mini 4.6k. I was really hoping for a mini-Mini 4.6k, but I feel it doesn't have the richness of colour.

I'm sure it's a great tool, but I just don't feel much excitement over it, and with the newer hybrid cameras coming out now and in the next few months maybe BMD will find the current market tough for this camera.

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Just now, Mattias Burling said:

@austinchimp Have you tried grading? My Panasonic or Fuji sure cant deliver an image that I can be so brutal with and still have looking nice and sharp.
But over all, I agree, there isnt any "need" to upgrade from anything made in the last 5 years.

I totally accept that the BMPCC4k image will be more robust and gradable with Prores and Raw than the images from my GH5, but overall - especially with viewing on Youtube and other streaming sites - there's not much between the cameras when it comes to the final product, as long as you know what you're doing.

The Blackmagic colour science is lovely, and much better than the native colour from the GH5 or Sony A7III, but those two can be graded to have a good look too. I've been playing with @Sage's GHa luts and that give the Panasonic a nice feel, and for me, Feel was always the thing that brought me to Blackmagic cameras.

Perhaps it's because when the original Pocket came out the look and feel was so far away from any other small camera, while now it seems to be more of a level playing field.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, austinchimp said:

It's strange - I was expecting to love the images from this camera, I was expecting to have a burning desire to order one, and yet watching the videos so far I feel nothing.

Maybe it shows how much the other camera manufacturers have caught up but I don't see a lot more here over my GH5, or any of the Sony cameras. This is coming from a previous owner/operator of the BMPCC and Ursa Mini 4.6k. I was really hoping for a mini-Mini 4.6k, but I feel it doesn't have the richness of colour.

I'm sure it's a great tool, but I just don't feel much excitement over it, and with the newer hybrid cameras coming out now and in the next few months maybe BMD will find the current market tough for this camera.

I kind of agree. Obviously the files can be pulled and pushed and thrown out a moving car but there is something pedestrian about the look. The Ursa, OG Pocket and Micro all have it in spades, but the P4K... I’m just not seeing it yet.

But it’s still a nice image, so for the money, it’s hard to complain.

To add... I’m also seeing a little IR pollution pop up in a few videos and still frames, so maybe that is mucking it up... hmm.

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2 hours ago, jonpais said:

And yet there are one-man bands that shoot talking heads and commercial work with Red handheld without half of those add-ons and their work looks spectacular. To each his own.

I think a Red camera is about the last camera in the world I would use for taking video of people being interviewed. That is Canon Cine territory, especially skin tones and DPAF. I don't think I would be looking for a Cine look for that.

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3 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said:

So I'm wondering, if you go this route don't you lose access to the nice BM user interface? This one of the selling points for me actually. If you cover the screen with v mount and add an external monitor is it still possible to easily make camera setting changes? I get your point though, but it seems like we're going to need another solution. 

I think there is a wide open market for "creative" power solutions. Make a rosette side handle that doubles as a battery. Or a quick plate that is a battery. 

There are also the new "smart batteries", a fraction of the size and weight of NP and V batteries.

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