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Cinema5D slates the Panasonic GH5, calls V-LOG and 10bit "unusable" - They're wrong

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critical, honest conversations are essential in any environment. Thanks for keeping it real, Andrew. I always look at your blog with interest as I think you set yourself apart with strong, honest opinions. I agree with the all pro argument. I reckon that there is some insecurity related to people that use it as a shield. I wish I did inspiring personal projects, that would make me proud of myself. One day when I will make space and time in my priorities, there will be a beautiful place for them in my life. Thanks again

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EOSHD Pro Color for Sony cameras EOSHD Pro LOG for Sony CamerasEOSHD C-LOG and Film Profiles for All Canon DSLRs

Everyone has opinions and everyone has their degrees of being right and wrong. On morality, technicality, articulating things etc etc.

It's great that you can proudly say that you didn't give in to the greed of money, and that, unlike most blogs and sites that deal with independent filmmaking and gear reviews, you aren't saleable and no amount of money or fame can compromise your viewpoints.

I guess one of the reasons the whole Cinema5D article about the GH5 is blowing up into their face, is because their credibility is not even remotely acceptable right now. People have started wondering why they even review products, if they have such obvious brands they are more favourable or faithful towards. Also, if a reviewer, in general, has any level of credibility.

What everyone likes about EOSHD, is that you're incorruptible. Something your peers of the blog variety cannot claim. 

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15 hours ago, dbp said:

That's a huge difference

Considering the guy can't clean his lens, or shoot two test shots at the same f-stop, not sure how much I particularly want to trust his results or how he's applying the color grade.  That said, it makes sense to get banding from 8-bit log.

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On ‎3‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 2:35 AM, no_connection said:

Cameralabs clearly set the wrong black and white levels for the X-T2 footage in that test. Clipping the shadows. That also screws up saturation and color.
I didn't realize how fast the A7sII fell apart above ISO51200 due to noise reduction. Just look at that temporal motion NR. The dark spots just dancing around. Looks nice up to that tho.

If it is like the original A7s in HD at least, it is at 102400 that it falls apart.       The intermediate ISOs (64,000 and 80,000) are also ok.

I sometimes set auto ISO to 102400 but that is just to allow it to hopefully go to 80,000.     Otherwise, I set auto ISO to 51200 max for video.      

If I don't set auto ISO high enough, that is when I see ghosting becoming an issue more often.

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6 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:

Considering the guy can't clean his lens, or shoot two test shots at the same f-stop, not sure how much I particularly want to trust his results or how he's applying the color grade.  That said, it makes sense to get banding from 8-bit log.

On second viewing, looks more like a filthy sensor. 

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8 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:

Considering the guy can't clean his lens, or shoot two test shots at the same f-stop, not sure how much I particularly want to trust his results or how he's applying the color grade.  That said, it makes sense to get banding from 8-bit log.

 

That is funny, fuzzy. Normal. Right? :) Makes uber sense and fun to stick around here and even more keep contributing due to cool people 

ideas and vibes in this place. Thanks to Andrew who built this community and spirit and opportunity. So, Fuzzy, you´re spot on. And because of guys

like you this forum is spot on. A great place to exchange and find inspiration. Thank you, Andrew!

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15 hours ago, Joachim said:

Hi Andrew. Just want to say: don't stop. We need voices out here that are not those of corporate video makers. We need your voice. 

^^^ this

Andrew, please dont go – if nothing else consider blogging about more personal projects and your workflow for what youre doing at the moment? or whatever!  i think i speak for a lot of people when i say that id read your blog if it was about what youre eating for dinner 😉

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Andrew, please don't quit!

I have learned so much on this blog.

I know we live in a thoroughly controlled and commercialised world, and it is frustrating to see the commercial chaps dominate the scene. It is indeed ridiculous that Panasonic doesn't send you a GH5, but it is also understandable and maybe even a compliment! The industry likes smooth guys for reviewing and one could accuse you of all kind of things, but a smooth guy you're not!

Therefore it is vital that guys like you and Gordon of Cameralabs and others who share a passion and an independent mind won't give up. Gordon adds a paypal link for buying him a cup of coffee, and I think thats a great solution.

Why don't you add links to Buy me a beer? You live in Germany, so that seems quite appropriate. It would cover some of your costs and enable you to buy or rent the equipment and continue writing in an independent way.

BTW I do like John of Cinema5d. He seems to be symphatetic and he doesn't feel too snobby to test some consumer stuff.

I hope you'll find ways to continue Eoshd!

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Slashcam.de is a very trustful resource for anyone interested in videos. For years I use their unbiased knowledge in matter cameras and other stuff. There is an English version of their site, but all tests come first in German. See in their careful test that the 10 bit file works fine in comparison with the 8 bit (look at the forehead of the doll on the adjusted image -  last one): https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Panasonic-GH5---8-Bit--10-Bit--4-2-2--V-Log-L---alles-OK----Die-GH5-in-der-10-Bit-Praxis.html#Die_G  

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So far in all of this lively discussion the link below has been the best information on the GH5's potential. All these "lab" tests mean little to me compared to seeing footage used in a edited film. While I do conduct tests all the time to find a camera's limits and give me direction to its potential, nothing beats a shoot. Despite liking what I see in the link, I do wish I'd see more tests or sample footage would involve flesh and bone humans in front of the camera and a little camera movement rather than the usual Phillip Bloom style "moving stills" approach. I've nothing against that style of shooting but it seems to overwhelm the sample footage these days. We all don't make landscape films to easy listening tunes. I'd love to see some stories, docs, etc shot on this camera because at the end of the day, we don't shoot to make tests.

Andrew, there was a Thai filmmaker you once featured that made an amazing short on perhaps a 5D (not sure) about a kick boxer I believe. I wish Panasonic would put the camera in his hands. That's the type of shooting that would tell me a lot about the camera - how flesh tone, movement, contrast, etc play into the drama. But I guess Panasonic (and Sony, and Canon, and....) rather give it to safe bets, blog presence or pretty ladies in Japanese gardens and other cinematic pablum.

 

 

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1 hour ago, hyalinejim said:

Have you tried searching on vimeo for GH%? There should be three or four videos there that are actual pieces in their own right, as opposed to mere test footage.

Should have typed "GH5" - too late to edit post now.

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2 hours ago, Bkn Soc of Cinematography said:

Phillip Bloom style "moving stills" approach. We all don't make landscape films to easy listening tunes.

I've never really re-visited his blog much because of this.  Valuable info there, just wasn't really attracted to the style or content.

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2 hours ago, Bkn Soc of Cinematography said:

All these "lab" tests mean little to me compared to seeing footage used in a edited film. While I do conduct tests all the time to find a camera's limits and give me direction to its potential, nothing beats a shoot..... I'd love to see some stories, docs, etc shot on this camera because at the end of the day, we don't shoot to make tests.
 

I like Johnnie Behiri's mini-docs a lot when he tests new camera's and I wish more sites that do reviews would follow his example instead of only talk about a camera, pixelpeep and use blown up framegrabs. Ideally it should be a combination of both, a detailed test like Gordon Laing at cameralabs does but geared towards videofunctionality only and then add a nicely shot short documentary. Until that happens our only choice is to look at as many reviews and uservideos, try to filter out the crap and try to make a informed decision before buying to eventually find out the camera has flaws that have not been mentioned by anyone so far. :) 

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9 hours ago, hyalinejim said:

Should have typed "GH5" - too late to edit post now.

Just did a search on Vimeo. Thanks. Found some great footage by James Miller. Anyone who say this camera is "unusable" needs to shoot something other than tests. The IQ IMO stomps on my A7s II in terms of color space. In fact, it gets a depth I don't see on the FS5/7. I'm torn. I plan on selling my A7s II in the coming weeks to help finance either a BMC UMP or GH5. Both have their up and downsides. But lately, I've been going smaller and more discreet so I'm leaning towards the GH5. With a speed booster - outstanding.

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9 hours ago, Bkn Soc of Cinematography said:

Just did a search on Vimeo. Thanks. Found some great footage by James Miller. Anyone who say this camera is "unusable" needs to shoot something other than tests. The IQ IMO stomps on my A7s II in terms of color space. In fact, it gets a depth I don't see on the FS5/7. I'm torn. I plan on selling my A7s II in the coming weeks to help finance either a BMC UMP or GH5. Both have their up and downsides. But lately, I've been going smaller and more discreet so I'm leaning towards the GH5. With a speed booster - outstanding.

Yes...the skin tones on the James Miller footage are beautiful!...add to that overall image quality...stabilization....the controlled rack focus feature (no small thing by itself!) plus a ridiculously long list of additional  features, and this camera becomes an easy choice...simply nothing approaching it even remotely, within a few thousand $'s in IMO...glad Panny takes their time with the GH releases and just keeps upping the standards that other companies then play catch-up to!

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