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Cinema5D slates the Panasonic GH5, calls V-LOG and 10bit "unusable" - They're wrong

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5 hours ago, Davey said:

This, in the comments, comes across as equally disingenuous:

Sebastian Wöber March 3, 2017

Hi Chris,
Thank you for your appreciation of what we do. Being honest has big downsides in this industry

Hehe.

I seem to remember when the honesty doesn't work in their favour they just leave the glaring flaws out of reviews entirely

And they have so many relationships with so many PR and marketing people at the manufacturers, you can never be honest while you're constantly looking over your back at a bunch of friends imploring you to be as nice publicly to them as you are face to face at trade shows.

I know how this works, I have felt the same thing myself.

It's not a pressure or a strict form of censorship - it's more about just common politeness and a good career move.

But it makes for a bloody boring website, believe me.

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and we work extremely hard to keep up what we’re doing.

And they get very highly rewarded financially too, so they're hardly a charity. What do they want? Reader donations on top of their latest $40,000 commercial video work?

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I’m very interested in what a camera “truly” does and I think people should know

$2000, a 6K H.265 mode, anamorphic support and much better low light performance than the GH4.

Yet they didn't mention any of that.

Far worse though is they chose to make a small flaw HEADLINE news - a ridiculous click bate headline out of a tiny flaw in compression... then to imply the 10bit implementation was faulty and V-LOG completely useable for serious work, which we all know is bullshit, was the final straw for me.

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and that keeps us doing what we do even though the cost is usually high.

BULLLLLLLLsheeet. Panasonic loaned them the GH5!

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So far we’re pulling through and comments like these truly keep us alive.
If there’s anything to improve what we do we’re always listening as we feel part of a larger community that we serve.

I have some suggestions!

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23 hours ago, jonpais said:

Wow! In my own blog, I just discretely add or delete stuff from my reviews as I get more information, but I only have around five followers.

I was just looking at the comments section over at 43 rumors from last week, when I came across this gem from Michael:

Many years ago I got to preview the Cinema5D website before their site launched. I noticed some flaws in the site. Instead of giving the site operators feedback on potential issues, I decided to alert everyone I could on the Internet, that the site was flawed beyond repair and that people shouldn't bother visiting the site. A lot of people were stunned and angry about my opinion, but I don't tolerate rude responses and that kind of tone.

Hahaha. I read that too. It seriously hit the nail on the head. I laughed really wrong.

I posted a comment on Cinema5D saying that the tests and their usage of language was so unacceptable, that it was meme worthy. They deleted that comment. I am guessing they also deleted many other comments from many other visitors to the site.

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Andrew please don't give up writing at EOSHD, instead let some other people make articles and write for you.i totally back you 110% on this cinema 5d nonsense. We need articles from WORKING individuals that aren't just trying to use cinema grade gear only that only the highest paid snobs use. We need writers that speak to the people not the corporation's and companies and manufacture r. I would LOVE to write an article for EOSHD and I wouldn't let the readers down I have many a topic to share and contribute valuable info to. I do like Cinema 5d and some of their content but  I literally was screaming and laughing at the article while reading it because I know from factual experience VLOG L thru the HDMI externally is awesome and has no compression artifacts and looks great. They literally were  subjective in their article and itt really is a shame. Do not quit EOSHD I love this site and always learn so much from you and this site and hope to one day be considered to write an article. Thanks Andrew you're the man!

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Correcting the Internet is the wrong business to be in.  I read review after review of Canon Rebel cameras that talk about the fantastic 1080p video the Rebel cameras produce.  I simply don't have time to have a heart attack and bang wildly on my keyboard every time I read stuff like that.  I go to work and do the best I can and forget the rest.

The other thing is we all screw up.   I learned early on jumping on someone's neck when they f up only breeds hordes of people who are all itching to gang up on you when you inevitably f up.

I don't understand all the gobblygook going back and forth about the GH5.  Frankly if anyone buys a $2,000 camera based on one blog post on the internet they are either an idiot or rich.  I read multiple sources and watch every quality video I can before I make a purchase. If I was considering purchasing the GH5 I would wait until plenty of reviewers have it in their hands AND all the critical firmware updates are available.  The codec that is most interesting is not even going to be available at launch.  Wait for the codec to come out, and for it to be reviewed, and for sample videos to be posted.  Anything less than that and it is on you if you buy a camera that is a dud or prematurely write off a camera.

Also places like this forum are a great resource.  Let others pick up the camera and report their results.  If it sucks or if it is great you will read all about it on this forum.  The results will not be kept secret.

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2 hours ago, Damphousse said:

Correcting the Internet is the wrong business to be in.

Who says it's a business?

It's about highlighting the truth and putting good info out there.

If a consensus builds and wrong information is accepted as true, like with the regularly bad tests Cinema5D put out ("A7S 14.1 stops dynamic range" - in 8bit codec!!) then it's worth correcting.

No you can't be the internet police as there's too much crap out there... But you can at least do something about the murder on your doorstep.

2 hours ago, Damphousse said:

I read review after review of Canon Rebel cameras that talk about the fantastic 1080p video the Rebel cameras produce.  I simply don't have time to have a heart attack and bang wildly on my keyboard every time I read stuff like that.  I go to work and do the best I can and forget the rest.

The other thing is we all screw up.   I learned early on jumping on someone's neck when they f up only breeds hordes of people who are all itching to gang up on you when you inevitably f up.

Himm bit cynical that.

2 hours ago, Damphousse said:

I don't understand all the gobblygook going back and forth about the GH5.  Frankly if anyone buys a $2,000 camera based on one blog post on the internet they are either an idiot or rich. 

I bought the GH1 in a heartbeat after seeing Bloom's early Hawaii footage

I'm not an idiot and back then I wasn't rich :)

2 hours ago, Damphousse said:

I read multiple sources and watch every quality video I can before I make a purchase.

If you read multiple sources you will end up with the sum average of a big PR effort to sell you the camera.

That's the way it is. Well done camera press.

2 hours ago, Damphousse said:

If I was considering purchasing the GH5 I would wait until plenty of reviewers have it in their hands AND all the critical firmware updates are available.  The codec that is most interesting is not even going to be available at launch.  Wait for the codec to come out, and for it to be reviewed, and for sample videos to be posted.  Anything less than that and it is on you if you buy a camera that is a dud or prematurely write off a camera.

Also places like this forum are a great resource.  Let others pick up the camera and report their results.  If it sucks or if it is great you will read all about it on this forum.  The results will not be kept secret.

It's not quite as life or death as that.

Ever heard of Amazon?

If you don't like it you just send it back.

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49 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

It's about highlighting the truth and putting good info out there.

If a consensus builds and wrong information is accepted as true, like with the regularly bad tests Cinema5D put out ("A7S 14.1 stops dynamic range" - in 8bit codec!!) then it's worth correcting.

No you can't be the internet police as there's too much crap out there... But you can at least do something about the murder on your doorstep.

Some people will maintain certain views no matter what and no amount of logic, reasoning, or real-world evidence will change their minds. Perhaps it's marketing, politics, drama, negative attention, ego, who knows? The best you can do is put information out there that everyone can use to find the truth for themselves and move on to the next puzzle. In the thread below folks argued with the inventor of the Speedbooster, one of the top lens designers in the world. As a cognitive scientist I wonder how these folks would argue in person with everyone physically present vs. the isolation and extreme dissociation created by the internet:

When the GH5 is released you'll have your opportunity to refute Cinema5D with your own tests and evidence, and if you provide instructions for doing a proper test, your readers can replicate your tests and decide for themselves.

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On Monday, March 06, 2017 at 0:59 PM, Michael Ma said:

It's like you invite someone over to a prescreening of a movie that hasn't been audio mastered, and instead of telling you that there were issues with audio and hearing what you have to say about it, they publish an article to the world saying the movie is unwatchable.  Then they make assumptions and state that the audio issues probably can't be fixed.  Should anyone ever let this guy prescreen movies ever?

Well put!  Good analogy. 

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On 3/16/2017 at 8:25 PM, Andrew Reid said:

If you read multiple sources you will end up with the sum average of a big PR effort to sell you the camera.

I have a science degree so I have the training not to view all sources as equal.  When Nature tells me man made climate change is real and CO2 is a contributing factor I don't do a straight average with whatever Brietbart's opinion is.   I may read Brietbart but it is weighted very differently.  There are plenty of sites I've read for longer than EOSHD has been in existence but I don't put much stock in their evaluation of video capabilities because they are stills guys who aren't passionate about video.

On 3/16/2017 at 8:25 PM, Andrew Reid said:

It's not quite as life or death as that.

Ever heard of Amazon?

If you don't like it you just send it back.

Unfortunately I live in the United States.  That kind of thing is tracked.  I prefer just to do my research and buy and keep what I get.  I have to do high dollar purchases of technical equipment and supplies for my day job and I really don't want to have that f'ed up because I am serially buying and returning cameras I don't like.  It's a hobby for me.  So no, buy and try isn't going to be a part of my routine.

On 3/16/2017 at 8:25 PM, Andrew Reid said:

 

It's about highlighting the truth and putting good info out there.

 

I guess what I am saying is someone somewhere putting out wrong or bad information isn't worth quitting your blog if it is you passion.  If you want to quit for financial reasons or to spend time with your family I get it.  But because someone somewhere on the interne is wrong?!  No way.  If I had to quit because someone somewhere was wrong and still got nice breaks because of politics I would be permanently out of work.  Just put out a good product you believe in and ignore the rest.

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2 hours ago, Damphousse said:

I have a science degree so I have the training not to view all sources as equal.  When Nature tells me man made climate change is real and CO2 is a contributing factor I don't do a straight average with whatever Brietbart's opinion is.   I may read Brietbart but it is weighted very differently.  There are plenty of sites I've read for longer than EOSHD has been in existence but I don't put much stock in their evaluation of video capabilities because they are stills guys who aren't passionate about video.

Andrew isn't quite wrong about multiple sources being the sum of a PR move. Canon famously doesn't let anyone with negative words about them get their hands on a review unit - I was denied any form of Canon gear for review after pointing out how Canon likes to "castrate" features for product segmentation (I think it was for the EOS 6D). O&M, Canon's PR firm, told me as such in polite terms. So if Canon only lets bloggers and reviewers who say nice things about their cameras have review units, you get this wall of positive noise about their cameras.

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2 hours ago, Damphousse said:

I guess what I am saying is someone somewhere putting out wrong or bad information isn't worth quitting your blog if it is you passion.  If you want to quit for financial reasons or to spend time with your family I get it.  But because someone somewhere on the interne is wrong?!  No way.  If I had to quit because someone somewhere was wrong and still got nice breaks because of politics I would be permanently out of work.  Just put out a good product you believe in and ignore the rest.

Hear, hear!  

I never post on here...but I've been reading Andrew's reviews for a number of years.  When I'm trying to procrastinate, as I am right now, this is the first video site I go to.  I was trying to remember who and what got me sold on the GH2, and it very while might have been Andrew, and the eoshd community.  I then picked up a GH3, a GH4, and I'm thinking I better save up some dinero for the GH5, as the actual hands on tests that I'm seeing are showing that it's limitations are far outweighed by its numerous strengths.  Don't lose hope Andrew.  Stay true to the course, and don't be drawn in by the stifling rhetoric of the naysayers and corporate/sponsor driven sites (not that they are all bad) ...but we must all be much more leary of "fake news"...which seems to very often come from those with the most to gain and lose financially). 

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13 hours ago, Damphousse said:

I have a science degree so I have the training not to view all sources as equal.  When Nature tells me man made climate change is real and CO2 is a contributing factor I don't do a straight average with whatever Brietbart's opinion is.   I may read Brietbart but it is weighted very differently.

Well that is political bias vs science, and this is cameras.

If only the camera review sites were weighted differently.

They're pretty much all the same and doing the same kind of reviews with close relationships to the PR companies.

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There are plenty of sites I've read for longer than EOSHD has been in existence but I don't put much stock in their evaluation of video capabilities because they are stills guys who aren't passionate about video.

That's understandable!

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Unfortunately I live in the United States.  That kind of thing is tracked.  I prefer just to do my research and buy and keep what I get.  I have to do high dollar purchases of technical equipment and supplies for my day job and I really don't want to have that f'ed up because I am serially buying and returning cameras I don't like.  It's a hobby for me.  So no, buy and try isn't going to be a part of my routine.

Who says I told you to regularly buy and return? I just said try the GH5 and return it if you don't like.

Regarding the Amazon deliveries unless you are regularly buying and returning porn videos, I don't really know what the fuss is about Amazon knowing you bought a GH5 and decided to return it.

Besides the big USA Today logic fail is that the company already knows what you bought in the first place and shared that with a third party (it's in the small print).

And even the regular return of any purchase is protected by law and rights of the consumer (distance selling regulations).

The USAToday article is just downright paranoid and something you'd expect from Briebart - but hey - clicks.

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I guess what I am saying is someone somewhere putting out wrong or bad information isn't worth quitting your blog if it is you passion.

I wouldn't quit because of a single site dude....I'd quit because the industry as a whole in which EOSHD needs to exist is making me lose my passion.

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If you want to quit for financial reasons or to spend time with your family I get it.  But because someone somewhere on the interne is wrong?!  No way.  If I had to quit because someone somewhere was wrong and still got nice breaks because of politics I would be permanently out of work.  Just put out a good product you believe in and ignore the rest.

You shouldn't live in a bubble and ignore the rest.

10 hours ago, leeys said:

Andrew isn't quite wrong about multiple sources being the sum of a PR move. Canon famously doesn't let anyone with negative words about them get their hands on a review unit - I was denied any form of Canon gear for review after pointing out how Canon likes to "castrate" features for product segmentation (I think it was for the EOS 6D). O&M, Canon's PR firm, told me as such in polite terms. So if Canon only lets bloggers and reviewers who say nice things about their cameras have review units, you get this wall of positive noise about their cameras.

I have multiple stories about Canon's totalitarian PR as well... Slashcam in Berlin once got a 1D C and Canon were very over-protective of it. It's annoying as hell.

At last year's BVE I was with SLR Magic and I went to talk to a Canon PR guy to try and get SLR Magic an opportunity to test the C300 II with one of their lenses. I said I was EOSHD and he says "oh, we know who YOU are" and gave me an icy stare.

I don't think I'll be getting any demo units from Canon for the time being ;)

Despite being a 1D X Mark II user, a C500 user, a 1D C user, an ex-XC10 user, a 5D Mark III user, a 5D Mark II user, owning a ton of EF glass, and naming my site after them.... And spending all my own money on that gear... It's not enough... because I told it like it was with the negative aspects of what they do.

Dishonest and unfriendly, in my experience.

I don't think I've had a satisfying encounter with them... ever

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