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Nikon Z6 features 4K N-LOG, 10bit HDMI output and 120fps 1080p

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3 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Don't need NEED to. 

Tonnes of people use mirrorless cameras in only 8bit already

Oh, and here is another review:

https://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/6221-the-nikon-z-6-has-the-king-of-the-crossover-cameras-arrived

Did you even watch the video why he said you needed it? It was not so much about 10 bit, it was more about the lack of video shooting aides the camera Doesn't have in it. The biggest flaw is there is no exposure aide in video. You are basically shooting blind. And yeah sure the 10 bit and Raw is mostly the main reason you are going to buy it, but I will cut them slack as it is their first try at a big time FF Mirrorless. Some of the problems might be able to be fixed with a firmware update.

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EOSHD Pro Color for Sony cameras EOSHD Pro LOG for Sony CamerasEOSHD C-LOG and Film Profiles for All Canon DSLRs

Then you could use any of a million other monitor onlys, not necessarily a recorder. 

Plus heaps of mirrorless shoots only use the basic built in monitoring tools. So is not a deal breaker for the Z6 vs much of the competition (although yes, of course the likes of the GH5/GH5S is far ahead of the competition)

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On 3/19/2019 at 1:59 PM, Mokara said:

...That is not correct. DSLR tracking is inherently limited by hardware while MILC tracking is limited only by computing power. It is inevitable that MILCs will overtake DSLRs in this respect. The latest iterations of Sony firmware are apparently already there or are pretty damned close.

We are now at the trip point when photography moves rapidly to MILC systems. My prediction a few years ago was that this would happen around 2019 based on my perception of how technology was developing, and it somewhat satisfying that it is actually playing out that way :) . Especially going back to forums like Canon Rumors and the folk there who poo pooed that idea. Turns out they were not as astute as they thought :)

Of ALL the photogs I share the field with, I have only seen TWO (firsthand) use mirrorless cameras for NFL in-game shooting. One as I previously mentioned) used a Sony ( and sinced switched to a Canon system out of frustration) and another used what looked like a battery gripped Fujifilm X-T2. Mirrorless MAY become more mainstream in outdoor sporting events, but that is a more wait-and-see than an eventuality. 

Simply put, pro DSLR camera auto focus tracking is superior to ANYTHING a mirrorless body has put out at this point. It's just a hard fact. I REALLY LIKE my Nikon Z6. It's GREAT for portraiture, landscape, travel photography and is mobile and light (with it's native lenses.) However, I cannot endorse or promote ANY mirrorless for NFL/fast action sports.

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On 3/19/2019 at 12:01 PM, webrunner5 said:

Wolfcrow Z6 review. Seems to like it, but says you NEED to have an external recorder to use it for serious video work.

 

https://wolfcrow.com/nikon-z6-real-world-review-for-cinematography/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weeklynewsletter&utm_content=text

I watched that video and he has some valid concerns and solid praising. Having said that, he is both right and wrong. He's correct in that to get the very best out of this camera, you need to utilize an external monitor to unleash the 10-bit 422 Apple ProRes. Then again, he's a cinematographer and for that line of work, he NEEDS that 10-bit 422 color space for proper color grading. However, he's also wrong, as for the average user, vlogger, or youtube content creator; an 8-bit standard color profile straight out of body image is MORE than enough. Especially for those who need to crank out videos fast.

Odds are, if one is a serious hybrid shooter, you likely already own an external monitor. If for nothing else, my eyes strain looking at the back panel LCD. Using a 5" or larger monitor makes it easier on the eyes and allows for MORE video tools; better focus peaking, better zebras, better waveforms, and offers scopes, 1:1 and 2:1 zooming tools (while recording), offer multiple aspect ratio framing, viewing MULTIPLE audio channels simultaneously, and allows you to add external audio and ultimately bypass the camera's preamps (which often can be far less than clean.)

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He won't even review a camera unless it has 4.2.2 in it. Yeah he does more serious work so that is required for it. He is pretty honest and doesn't feel bad about knocking missing features.There really is no reason not to have all that stuff in it in this day and age. It is mostly software based. It is not like it is a 600 dollar camera. And it is their video based model for heaven sake's.

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It isn't just about 10-bit 4:2:2, you need an external recorder to get any kind of log period with the Z's. As he points out with no internal rec709 or specific gamma profiles it's not really possible to paint in camera either. The other caveats he brings up are also quite jarring.. no metering for video?! aliasing/moire in N-log. Crop when shooting 10-bit..etc

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7 hours ago, Django said:

It isn't just about 10-bit 4:2:2, you need an external recorder to get any kind of log period with the Z's. As he points out with no internal rec709 or specific gamma profiles it's not really possible to paint in camera either. The other caveats he brings up are also quite jarring.. no metering for video?! aliasing/moire in N-log. Crop when shooting 10-bit..etc

What about uploading a custom log profile? Can you shoot 10bit in other color profiles I wonder or only Nlog?

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16 hours ago, DeMarcus Davis said:

Of ALL the photogs I share the field with, I have only seen TWO (firsthand) use mirrorless cameras for NFL in-game shooting. One as I previously mentioned) used a Sony ( and sinced switched to a Canon system out of frustration) and another used what looked like a battery gripped Fujifilm X-T2. Mirrorless MAY become more mainstream in outdoor sporting events, but that is a more wait-and-see than an eventuality. 

Simply put, pro DSLR camera auto focus tracking is superior to ANYTHING a mirrorless body has put out at this point. It's just a hard fact. I REALLY LIKE my Nikon Z6. It's GREAT for portraiture, landscape, travel photography and is mobile and light (with it's native lenses.) However, I cannot endorse or promote ANY mirrorless for NFL/fast action sports.

That will change. A lot of what you see now are systems people currently have. No reason for them to throw that stuff away just because. There is an inertia to change, especially in professional spheres where familiarity with current equipment and systems far outweighs other considerations. For example, old main frames continued to be used in corporate environments long after superior alternatives were available. It was simply too disruptive to upgrade, consequently they carried on using the old obsolete technology, often for very long periods of time. So what you see on the side of a sports field is irrelevant to the performance argument.

There is also an element of Pavlovian response involved, where the people who use DSLRs for this stuff generally base their opinion of mirrorless performance on much older systems rather than the latest state of the art gear. There choices become a self fulfilling prophecy based on subjective rather than objective considerations as a result.

 

15 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

He won't even review a camera unless it has 4.2.2 in it. Yeah he does more serious work so that is required for it. He is pretty honest and doesn't feel bad about knocking missing features.There really is no reason not to have all that stuff in it in this day and age. It is mostly software based. It is not like it is a 600 dollar camera. And it is their video based model for heaven sake's.

It is also a consumer camera, not a professional camera. It should be evaluated as such. 

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I find to me, that most of the Z6, Z7 footage I have seen come off as Way to dark, too much Contrast and a lot of crushed Blacks. It is just not pretty like Canon footage looks like. Canon has a softer look to it, more Pastel.  The Nikon stuff is Gothic looking and is Far from realistic.  I am sure you can change it in Post but. I am just not a fan of it at all... YMMV.

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On 3/19/2019 at 7:01 PM, webrunner5 said:

Wolfcrow Z6 review. Seems to like it, but says you NEED to have an external recorder to use it for serious video work.

 

https://wolfcrow.com/nikon-z6-real-world-review-for-cinematography/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weeklynewsletter&utm_content=text

Why does he say you need an external recorder?

It's not worse than any other mirrorless camera for monitoring, in fact the screen is better than most and the EVF is too.

8 minutes ago, liork said:

Indeed, the blacks in this sample looks crashed.

Should have shot Z-LOG then :)

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But we really need some metering/exposure in video mode. In the main display with all other functions and also a clean display option. And why we can't have zebras and peaking at the same time? There's some annoying things that could be easily fixed by firmware.

 

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1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Why does he say you need an external recorder?

It's not worse than any other mirrorless camera for monitoring, in fact the screen is better than most and the EVF is too.

 

metering/exposure in video mode. You are shooting blind without a External monitor. Crazy stuff. Plus he is big on only 4.2.2 or better. 4.2.0 introduces a lot of Chroma noise, and artifacts. And not Broadcast standard.

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"A very short, quickly shot video on one of the coolest guys I know. Brooklyn based photog Mike Grippi. Shot with the Nikon Z6 Filmmaker's Kit, on a Z6 camera, recording into the Atomos Ninja V, which is a tremendous assist in making a film quickly while traveling light. This was shot in a single day, and recorded in ProRes RAW directly to the Atomos. Many thanks to Levi Arnold, our editor, who did a great job giving the piece a cool look. Hit the blog for more details! "

First footage I've seen with the yet to be released Prores Raw update. Great looking video I think!

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