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Just a quick update, as I've just come back from 3 days of winter camping in the mountains, and I want to share my short experience concerning battery life.
So, during 3 days with just below 0°C temperatures, I shot mainly short video sequences (around 30s) from dawn to dusk, milky way photography one night, some landscape photo in the morning and in the evening, and a lot of image reviewing. The camera stayed outside with the battery still inside it (I usually remove the battery from the camera in winter, and take it inside my sleeping bag, but not this time).

Right now, I'm reviewing all the material, and the battery indicator displays  3 remaining bars out of 5. I'm quite satisfied... with my Fujis, I would have used 3 batteries ! As usual, there is quite a gap between internets myths and real life experience !

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10 hours ago, Geoff_L said:

Just a quick update, as I've just come back from 3 days of winter camping in the mountains, and I want to share my short experience concerning battery life.
So, during 3 days with just below 0°C temperatures, I shot mainly short video sequences (around 30s) from dawn to dusk, milky way photography one night, some landscape photo in the morning and in the evening, and a lot of image reviewing. The camera stayed outside with the battery still inside it (I usually remove the battery from the camera in winter, and take it inside my sleeping bag, but not this time).

Right now, I'm reviewing all the material, and the battery indicator displays  3 remaining bars out of 5. I'm quite satisfied... with my Fujis, I would have used 3 batteries ! As usual, there is quite a gap between internets myths and real life experience !

And you didn't loose all your pictures because of the Single Card Slot 

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15 minutes ago, Nikkor said:

And you didn't loose all your pictures because of the Single Card Slot 

Admit it, it's a cheap ass design. Stupid decision, especially on the Z7. It will cost them sales. Accident waiting to happen. It is not like the damn things are a 500 dollar entry item.

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23 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Admit it, it's a cheap ass design. Stupid decision, especially on the Z7. It will cost them sales. Accident waiting to happen. It is not like the damn things are a 500 dollar entry item.

XQD and CFast cards are both pretty robust. SD is more of a concern. But are you shooting to both cards simultaneously when shooting video? I don't think so.  That is unless you are shooting on a C200 with 8 bit proxy files. Though I think the GH5/s have this feature also. 

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I think most of the better stuff has had the option to back up files simultaneously for a long time. It would be awful risky to shoot a long take with a million dollar actor and the One card failed. It is I guess one of the reasons high end Cine cameras always cost as much as a house.  Yeah my Panasonic AF100 could do that also. Nice peace of mind even for a short take.

Buy yes you are right XQD cards seem to be better built. But Anything can screw up. I remember on my Canon 1D mk III I bent the pins in the CF card slot on time putting it in. I could never use it again. I had to use the SD card slot from then on. Shit happens like it or not.

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1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:

I think most of the better stuff has had the option to back up files simultaneously for a long time. It would be awful risky to shoot a long take with a million dollar actor and the One card failed. It is I guess one of the reasons high end Cine cameras always cost as much as a house.  Yeah my Panasonic AF100 could do that also. Nice peace of mind even for a short take.

Buy yes you are right XQD cards seem to be better built. But Anything can screw up. I remember on my Canon 1D mk III I bent the pins in the CF card slot on time putting it in. I could never use it again. I had to use the SD card slot from then on. Shit happens like it or not.

If you have a job with a million dollar actor you can probably afford an external recorder tho.

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20 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

If you have a job with a million dollar actor you can probably afford an external recorder tho.

Some cameras you can't record both at once. Internal or external only. But yeah the big ones could do that. I would imagine shooting a movie on film was pretty damn stressful back in the day. One shot and hope..

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Just now, webrunner5 said:

Some camera you can't record both at once. Internal or external only. But yeah the big ones could do that. I would imagine shooting a movie on film was pretty damn stressful back in the day. One shot and hope..

I think we worry too much these days. But yeah I wonder if the Nikon does both.

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15 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

I think we worry too much these days. But yeah I wonder if the Nikon does both.

I think it depends if you are making a living doing it. That is Always stressful! And yes it looks like the Nikon can record both at the same time. But maybe only in 8bit?? That would kind of suck. But I bet it is true. You can only get 8bit internal on the Nikon can't you?

"If you use an external recorder like those from Atmos, you can take advantage of 10-bit output, or you can shoot 8-bit 4K footage to both an external recorder and the internal memory card simultaneously."

From this article.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/11/21/review-nikon-z6-is-a-great-all-around-full-frame-mirrorless-camera

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7 minutes ago, BasiliskFilm said:

Has anyone else had this experience of shooting NLog to a recorder having a hit on AF performance?

 

Log profiles basically underexpose the sensor and do a digital push off-chip, PDAF pixels do not get enough light to work reliably, and this is worsened by the already dimly lit scene.

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6 hours ago, androidlad said:

Log profiles basically underexpose the sensor and do a digital push off-chip, PDAF pixels do not get enough light to work reliably, and this is worsened by the already dimly lit scene.

Surely the amount of light received by the PDAF pixels is down to the lens aperture, regardless of image ISO sensitivity. It looks to me like he keeps the same aperture/DOF between his two test sessions. Sure it is dark, but the AF looks pretty good in the first half with otherwise identical settings.

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19 minutes ago, BasiliskFilm said:

Surely the amount of light received by the PDAF pixels is down to the lens aperture, regardless of image ISO sensitivity. It looks to me like he keeps the same aperture/DOF between his two test sessions. Sure it is dark, but the AF looks pretty good in the first half with otherwise identical settings.

The test was done in controlled lighting. If the image was underexposed I raised the output of the light. I shoot both log and raw regularly. This performance is not in line with how other cameras have performed under similar conditions. If it was, I would not have been concerned. I have shot CLog, Canon RawLite, FLog, VLog, VLogL, SLog etc... all under similar conditions. This big shift in AF performance stands out as unusual. 

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An update, after having played with footages in resolve. I've discovered an nanoying behavior with the 24-70 f4, the same I encountered with Fuji. At 24mm, there are some visible wobbles in the corners. I do not think it is an ibis related problem, but more an auto distortion control one. It was the same with Fuji. A guy too find this behavior on dvxuser http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?361639-Nikon-Z6-10bit-output/page2

The option is greyed out in the menu, with this lense. I hope they will offer the possibility to disable it.

For the record, it seems that this behavior does not occur at longer focals with this lense. Which would be logical given the distortion presents at 24mm.

It is not present on the footages I've shot with the adapted 50mm 1.8 G. I will do some tests to be 100% sure.

Anyway, the good news is that, as I need to stabilize my footages in resolve due to very high winds while recording, the problem is solved even with a small amount of stabilization in resolve ! The footages are steady, and wobbles free, at a really small cost !

Ah, and the image is really gorgeous... the internal flat profile seems to hold well the grading. I continue to learn how to not trash a footage with an awful grading, and I'll share some stuff 😁

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On 1/2/2019 at 6:26 PM, DBounce said:

The test was done in controlled lighting. If the image was underexposed I raised the output of the light. I shoot both log and raw regularly. This performance is not in line with how other cameras have performed under similar conditions. If it was, I would not have been concerned. I have shot CLog, Canon RawLite, FLog, VLog, VLogL, SLog etc... all under similar conditions. This big shift in AF performance stands out as unusual. 

So the light levels and aperture were identical between the shots?

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1 hour ago, BasiliskFilm said:

So the light levels and aperture were identical between the shots?

No, NLog requires a minimum ISO of 800... The non NLog shot was at 400 ISO IIRC. It might have been a little lower. I did the test

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Hey guys!

Finally I got my Z6 + 24-70mm. I know I still need to understand more this new settings and AF, but I already struggle with what everyone is talking, low light AF for photo. But besides that, this looks really really promising. So good to have video and photo settings saved independently. 

I believe the default profile for video is a little too much with sharpening and contrast. What settings do you use for standard and flat profile?
I was thinking about to sell my Sigma 18-35mm, but I think I'll stay with it and shoot video in DX mode. It doesn't seems to make a difference.

Thanks

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