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Nikon Z6 features 4K N-LOG, 10bit HDMI output and 120fps 1080p

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1 hour ago, noone said:

Not sure you would get much of a size and weight saving with a 40 f4 pancake.

A lens like the Canon 40 2.8 STM is already tiny and light and being 40mm f4 would be very unlikely to get any shorter.       As for weight savings, the 2.8 is already only 130g so I guess you could maybe save 30 or 40g but would that little be worth a stop?

Sure, I agree. But @Castorp brought up F4 primes and I was giving that as an example that I'd find F4 pancakes interesting. Although you're right, F2.8 might give you a whole stop more but at not much more of a weight/size penalty 

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6 hours ago, Eric Calabros said:

.. to see low light comparison with your 1DXm2.

I was pretty busy yesterday with other things. But I did have a brief play with the Z6 in as fairly dark room. I took pictures at 6400 ISO. They came out really clean.  I have a feeling this cameras is going to live up to the hype regarding low light performance. 

Some notes: the camera feels light. It's clearly well made,  but not heavy.  The only lens I've attached so far is the 24-70mm native lens... I like it.  I love the size.  I mostly shot with the Canon yesterday as the Nikon was charging. The Nikon feels like a feather next to the 1DXMk2. As we bought the Nikon to be a go everywhere camera, the small and light combination checks a lot of boxes for us. I usually associate light weight with poor build quality... in most products. But this is strangely not the case with the Nikon. The camera is solid and of high quality. Holding it you feel confident that it will not let you down.  I can report that I do like the ergonomics, but I do miss the battery grip with shutter button. We always opt for a battery grip on our cameras. Nikon missed out on some tidy profits by omitting this option with the Z6/7. 

I suspect I will miss the portrait tilt of the X-T3. Who knew that was a thing? But once you've had a screen with portrait tilt, it's something you realize is pretty handy. I don't miss the flip out screen of the GH cameras. I always use an external monitor or recorder when shooting video anyway. 

Single card slot is a non issue for me. Menus... I like the menus... they seem really easy to navigate. The learning curve is not too steep if you are familiar with modern cameras. 

It's a very different camera than the X-T3 and Canon in feel and handling and vibe. It beats the GH5/S in hand. Overall, I would say it reminds me most of the Sony... if the Sony was more refined. 

I plan to do some shooting with the Z today. I need to understand how it compares to the Canons... both the 1DXMk2 and C200. I want to know how easy it is to match the footage with the Canons... the C200 in particular. I know the C200 can be made to look like the Nikon... RawLite has a lot of depth. But can NLog bend to look like the C200 without breaking? 

A word about the EOS R... that was the camera we wanted to purchase. The cats out of the bag.  I'm confident it would have matched perfectly to the C200. But Canon just had to pull a Canon. Cropping the 4k video to essentially m43... but without the ability to offset the extreme crop with a speedbooster. Hey Canon, Nikon and Fuji send their regards. With that out of the way,  I REALLY want to love this camera. It's off to a good start, I'll know more soon.  

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I received my Z6 the other day and this is my quick first impression and usage after 2 days. Before I pre-ordered the Z6 I rented the Sony A7III and used for a month and was considering buying it.

The Z6 feels very solid in the hands. You immediately get the confidence you can use it in any weather condition without worrying too much. It fits well in the hands.

The EVF and screen in nice, big, and sharp. The buttons have a nice feel to it.

The menu; a lot simpler than the Sony. I have to say I am fairly familiar with Nikon menu system from past usage but if you were to give both cameras to someone who has never used a Sony or Nikon before, their learning curve on the Nikon menu system will be fast. Within 30 mins, I will say I was very comfortable with where everything was on the menu.

I only have the 24-70 f4s lens and I am quite impressed with that lens and the IQ I am getting with the Z6 and that lens. Even more impressive is the low light with that F4 lens. This camera may turn out to be the king of low light with other cameras at that price point.

Video AF; sorry Panasonic I am so happy for you for your latest firmware update on the GH5/s but Nikon completely beat you at video AF on their very first attempt on a mirrorless camera! It’s quite impressive, I dare to say on par with Sony. Moreover, you get face detect AF when shooting 4k! On the video side of things, this camera is very capable! Of course, it doesn’t have the advanced video tools the GH5/s has but for most of the hybrid shootings I do, I will be ok.

I wish this camera had is eye AF like Sony and better tracking when shooting stills. Eye AF is quite handy and useful when it works. 

There is quite a latency with this camera with what you see on the LCD and EVF, worse than any camera I ever used. 

I am still testing to see how long the battery will last compared with my time with the A7III, but I don't think it will measure up to the A7III.

Overall so far, I think Nikon did an ok job with their first attempt in the mirrorless world. Are there things that need improvement, most definitely! For my kind of hybrid shooting, I think the Z6 will keep me going for a while.

One last thing, I like their mobile phone and camera app (Snapbridge). The only camera that compares is Panasonic. (I have tried Fuji, Sony, Panasonic, and Nikon) It still amazes me how camera companies still haven’t yet made communication between the camera and mobile device effortless.

Off to more shooting and testing. 

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3 hours ago, Phil A said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_1_series

It's not their first though, I don't understand why people keep saying that. Nikon was quite early with the 1 series, it's just that they developed completely independent of what customers wanted and the product kinda bombed.

It’s their first full frame mirrorless. Conversely, I’m not sure the EOS R is actually Canons first full frame mirrorless, certainly not for video anyway. 

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I'm searching for a long time for a real good hybrid camera. This one may retire my D600 and NX1. And that option to save photo and video settings independently, is gold.

But I still have some doubts about this in Z6:
- Does it crop at 100p/120p? How much +/-?
- any crop with IBIS on?
- I haven't see any comparison between FX and DX mode in Z6 or Z7. How IQ (video) compares between FX vs DX?
- Also, in DX mode does it crop at 100/120p?

Thanks

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Video comparing Log profile on skin tone between Canon Eos R and Nikon z6. At first I would say the Canon is better because it is at the right level of contrast I would say. From highlight to shadows the right contrast ratio. But looking a little bit more the Canon seems to suffer from a harsh clipping shadow compared to the z6 and it is confirmed by the log non graded sample side by side. Somehow their is one thing hat I am witnessing is the very green tint Nikon Nlog. I don't know if it end up in the grade it (it doesn not look so in this video).

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19 hours ago, DBounce said:

It’s their first full frame mirrorless. Conversely, I’m not sure the EOS R is actually Canons first full frame mirrorless, certainly not for video anyway. 


Do you mean they developed other FF mirrorless but didn't release it or even announce it?
 

13 hours ago, BaZa said:

- Does it crop at 100p/120p? How much +/-?
- any crop with IBIS on?

No and no

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6 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Do you mean they developed other FF mirrorless but didn't release it or even announce it?

No, I mean as the EOS R is largely crippled in 4k, suffering from a huge crop, it isn't really a Full Frame mirrorless. It's more of a hybrid frame camera. All of that expensive R glass is wasted on a crop sensor body.  Which is exactly what the EOS R becomes the moment one selects 4K recording mode. 

I recall being pumped when I first heard about the EOS R... and then the details came out and burst that bubble. I think im not the only one that feels this way. 

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10 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

There is no crop on the EOS-R when shooting video. It's full frame. When using the digital IS there is a slight crop, but very minimal. So not wasting any glass at all.

So the EOS-R does not crop in when shooting 4K video? I think you mean 1080p... lots of cameras have been shooting full frame 1080p for years. But who cares? I’m speaking of 4K video, and there is definitely a crop in that mode.

I understand you may own this camera, but such comments might mislead others.

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16 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

There is no crop on the EOS-R when shooting video. It's full frame. When using the digital IS there is a slight crop, but very minimal. So not wasting any glass at all.

In 4k? 

I'm pretty sure there is a significant 1.7x crop (in the EOS-R) as evidenced by the test in the video above and as publicised by every single person talking about the camera on this forum.

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8 hours ago, IronFilm said:


Do you mean they developed other FF mirrorless but didn't release it or even announce it?
 

No and no

So the Nikon Z6 unlike the Z7, doesn't crop at 100p?! That's good to known. Now I just need to see some examples in DX mode, if it looses video quality or not. If it doesn't I can keep my Sigma 18-35mm.

I actually didn't know there was an digital stabilization option, I thought it was only sensor stabilization. 

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