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Nikon Z6 features 4K N-LOG, 10bit HDMI output and 120fps 1080p

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So now we are getting some confirmation that the Z6 is not going to show up with many nasty surprises we are perhaps in a position to write a tally sheet of the pros and cons of the "affordable" full frame video options as currently presented. Sony A7III vs Nikon z6:

Image quality/resolution/dynamic range - similar sensor means there is not a lot to choose here.
Colour science/gradeability - lots of people seem to like what Nikon does here, and 10-bit-to-recorder seems an excellent option, for example, green screen shooting. 8 bit Log internal on Sony seems an advantage but Andrew's Zlog seems a work-around there.
Single card vs dual card - 2 slots nice to have, but not a deal-breaker for video
Auto focus - Nikon, so far, doesn't look disappointing, and demonstrations with adapted f1.4 glass are very encouraging. Eye autofocus is nice, but for video good face AF is probably where we are at. Sony strong here too, so it would be good to have some proper side-by-side tests in tough situations.
Usablility - lots of votes coming on the Nikon side, Sony still not "loved" by many for ergonomics, menu systems, button layouts etc.
Lens options - for Nikon shooters with a big investment in modern glass this is a no-brainer, as the adaptor seems to be very solid. Otherwise, Sony has the lead by some margin. Ironically the killer choice for budget/weight conscious shooters is the Tamron 28-75mm f2.8. Still not clear whether/when a Z mount version will be available. Still Sony glass is expensive, and F mount glass seems very useable and more available second hand.
Stabilisation - does Nikon have the edge here? More stablized lenses for Sony though.
EVF and back screen - (assuming this is the same as the Z7) - Nikon seems a clear winner, as Sony economised on both of these. For run-and-gun MF shooting, this may be a biggie.
Stills shooting - yes I want to do this too - keeping settings for stills and video separate as the Z series do, seems to make sense. My main question is - can I ditch the DSLR for shooting action/wildlife etc.
Anything else that should be added to the list?
 

 

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12 hours ago, sanveer said:

I am very curious about that tiny flange distance. I wonder if it reduces or limits the stops of stabilization possible, especially across the pitch and yaw axis. And especially during walking (Sony does a decent job for stills but a terrible one for walking).

I also think walking movements in video should have its own CIPA Ratings (or whoever else measured it) for Stops of Correction for Movement (different from those for Photo) 

It's image stabilisation, not a steady cam.   Image stabilisation is for reducing shaking while you are stood still trying to hold the camera as stable as possible.  Its to give that extra boost of stabilisation to help you out.  It's not there to do the cameraman's job.   It always amuses me how people try to test IS by jumping up and down and sloppily walking down the street.  How do they expect tiny movements within the image circle of the lens to compensate for such large movements?   So silly!

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The face detection test by Ricci Nikon shows some concerning rolling shutter when he's moving his head rapidly (it's on a 105mm lens so maybe nothing too much to worry about). Very excited apart from that.

 

 

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1 hour ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

If the adapter works well all the Nikon lens options gives Nikon an edge over Sony. But the Sony native lens options are probably better.

I'm not so sure they are better for video. The new Nikon Z mount lenses are said to have been designed to perform exceptionally well for video, being near silent in operations and having almost no focus breathing. I don't think Sony offers anything comparable for a similar price? Also consider, that while slower than ideal for some situations, having deeper dof is not necessarily a bad thing for video.

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19 minutes ago, DBounce said:

I'm not so sure they are better for video. The new Nikon Z mount lenses are said to have been designed to perform exceptionally well for video, being near silent in operations and having almost no focus breathing. I don't think Sony offers anything comparable for a similar price? Also consider, that while slower than ideal for some situations, having deeper dof is not necessarily a bad thing for video.

I think sony has more options at this point, that was mainly what I was referring to. 

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3 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

I think sony has more options at this point, that was mainly what I was referring to. 

Certainly, Sony has the edge in native glass. Not sure I would spring for the 58mm f.95 either as it is both huge and only manual. But it's a new mount, so more options will come in time. Between Fuji and now Nikon the competition is really heating up. Can't wait to see Panasonic hand everyone their ass on a plate. As the bar keeps getting raised we will have more options. I would love not to have to worry about ND on hybrid bodies. Yes Canon's adapter sort of does this, but not with native lenses. 

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25 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Certainly, Sony has the edge in native glass. Not sure I would spring for the 58mm f.95 either as it is both huge and only manual. But it's a new mount, so more options will come in time. Between Fuji and now Nikon the competition is really heating up. Can't wait to see Panasonic hand everyone their ass on a plate. As the bar keeps getting raised we will have more options. I would love not to have to worry about ND on hybrid bodies. Yes Canon's adapter sort of does this, but not with native lenses. 

I am feeling iffy about the Panasonic full frame. I am guessing it will lead in internal IQ, but I fear they are going to stick to their outdated contrast detect focus system. 

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1 hour ago, DBounce said:

Certainly, Sony has the edge in native glass. Not sure I would spring for the 58mm f.95 either as it is both huge and only manual. But it's a new mount, so more options will come in time. Between Fuji and now Nikon the competition is really heating up. Can't wait to see Panasonic hand everyone their ass on a plate. As the bar keeps getting raised we will have more options. I would love not to have to worry about ND on hybrid bodies. Yes Canon's adapter sort of does this, but not with native lenses. 

I don't understand that supposed edge in native lens. From everything I have seen the adapted lens worked as good as they did on native F mount cameras. Have people not seen the video from Ricci Talk and BH, one was the 105mm F1.4 and the other 70-200 2.8. The 70-200 2.8 was tracking in very low light in the BH video. I dare to say that after the lens rental review of the build quality of the z7, that the z6 might be more weather proof with the FTZ adapter than Sony cameras. I personally don't know, but can someone tell me how many Sony, Pana or Fuji have in terms of video centric lens (silent, no breathing etc)

The second thing is that Nikon said they were dedicated to video now and the development of the S line of lens was from the ground up done with video in mind. We can already see it with the fast focusing , silent and zero breathing lens they have released. If you think that the treatment they gave to their 24-70 f4  kit lens in terms of video, you can be sure that they were not joking when they said that. Another thing, they already published lens roadmap, by next year we will get nearly the trifecta of Nikon 2.8 zoom and two new f1.8 prime lens plus the f.95 prime. Again I just saw a mock up of the F 2.8 Nikon zoom and it had a third ring. I guess we will have smooth step-less aperture control with this lens as the Canon, if I am not mistaken. So tell me how many Sony, Pana or Fuji are have thee type of video centric features to their lens line.

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2 hours ago, Danyyyel said:

I don't understand that supposed edge in native lens. From everything I have seen the adapted lens worked as good as they did on native F mount cameras. Have people not seen the video from Ricci Talk and BH, one was the 105mm F1.4 and the other 70-200 2.8. The 70-200 2.8 was tracking in very low light in the BH video. I dare to say that after the lens rental review of the build quality of the z7, that the z6 might be more weather proof with the FTZ adapter than Sony cameras. I personally don't know, but can someone tell me how many Sony, Pana or Fuji have in terms of video centric lens (silent, no breathing etc)

The second thing is that Nikon said they were dedicated to video now and the development of the S line of lens was from the ground up done with video in mind. We can already see it with the fast focusing , silent and zero breathing lens they have released. If you think that the treatment they gave to their 24-70 f4  kit lens in terms of video, you can be sure that they were not joking when they said that. Another thing, they already published lens roadmap, by next year we will get nearly the trifecta of Nikon 2.8 zoom and two new f1.8 prime lens plus the f.95 prime. Again I just saw a mock up of the F 2.8 Nikon zoom and it had a third ring. I guess we will have smooth step-less aperture control with this lens as the Canon, if I am not mistaken. So tell me how many Sony, Pana or Fuji are have thee type of video centric features to their lens line.

Where's the mockup of the F2.8 Nikkor zoom? Can't find a picture of that anywhere. 

As for the new Nikkor lenses being made with video in mind, I'd say most of that rings true. However there's a rather obvious elephant in the room with the lens design that needs to be adjusted before the new Z-mount lenses are top notch for video: linear focusing. The focus-by-wire design is still a hinderance for video shooters that prefer to use manual focus over autofocus. 

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7 hours ago, Vintage Jimothy said:

Where's the mockup of the F2.8 Nikkor zoom? Can't find a picture of that anywhere. 

As for the new Nikkor lenses being made with video in mind, I'd say most of that rings true. However there's a rather obvious elephant in the room with the lens design that needs to be adjusted before the new Z-mount lenses are top notch for video: linear focusing. The focus-by-wire design is still a hinderance for video shooters that prefer to use manual focus over autofocus. 

I understand your point your point about manual focusing, my guess is that those lens are not necessarily meant for manual focus for movie use. I know it is a sacrilege for some but with those new autofocus, manual focusing might really become a niche thing like in photography.

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1 minute ago, Danyyyel said:

I understand your point your point about manual focusing, my guess is that those lens are not necessarily meant for manual focus for movie use. I know it is a sacrilege for some but with those new autofocus, manual focusing might really become a niche thing like in photography.

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I wouldn't call it sacrilege to say that. I think autofocus is likely bound to take over more and more of the videomaking/filmmaking world as that technology advances. But in the here and now, it's important to meet the manual focus standards for filmmaking with these lenses. Granted, based on the recent interview I saw @DaveAltizer do with Nikon from PhotoKina, it does seem like they're planning to incorporate linear focusing on these lenses soon via firmware update.

Also that zoom looks great! Was that picture from Photokina or one of the other recent camera events?

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1 hour ago, Vintage Jimothy said:

I wouldn't call it sacrilege to say that. I think autofocus is likely bound to take over more and more of the videomaking/filmmaking world as that technology advances. But in the here and now, it's important to meet the manual focus standards for filmmaking with these lenses. Granted, based on the recent interview I saw @DaveAltizer do with Nikon from PhotoKina, it does seem like they're planning to incorporate linear focusing on these lenses soon via firmware update.

Also that zoom looks great! Was that picture from Photokina or one of the other recent camera events?

Yep, it would be good, they said they would focus much more on video now and its a priority for them. I hope they do implement some more functionality through firmware update, like a higher 50 mbit 1080p bitrate, 4.2.2 would be prefect (a dream would be 10 bit at this resolution), just for broadcast. The second thing would be some 10-15 second burst  4k 60p would be great , to compete against the new Panasonc or an intermediary size codec like DJI 2.7k or a 3k mode at 60 fps or even burst 120 fps. A squarer mode for anamorphic lens would also be great.

 

The photo was on a Facebook z6/z7 group, the mockup of the 24-70 and 58mm knoc, have been doing the shows around the world.

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@Danyyyel It looks like a pretty nice 24-70mm F2.8, but was not the promise of the super short flange distance, and indeed the current promise of mirrorless, the idea that we would see faster glass? If so, why is this lens an f2.8? Hasn't that been done to death? It's been 17 years since Sigma created the first 24-70mm F2.8,  it's time for a new faster variant in the f2 to f1.8 zoom range. 

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