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25 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

Aren't the Tokinan and Sigma APS-C lenses? Of course they will vingette on a a lesser crop factor <1.5.

Some white wall based comparison testing with the 18-35mm on the LensRegain, the Metabones 0.71x and a dumb adapter on the Pocket4K for you.

Including downloadable files to peep with ;)

 

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Just now, BTM_Pix said:

Some white wall based comparison testing with the 18-35mm on the LensRegain, the Metabones 0.71x and a dumb adapter on the Pocket4K for you.

Including downloadable files to peep with ;)

 

What page? It takes me to the 1 one!

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19 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

What page? It takes me to the 1 one!

Make sure you click the arrow top right it will take you directly to the post.

Its Page 362 mate.

Although its 362 on my phone might be different on a laptop etc.

 

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1 hour ago, BTM_Pix said:

Make sure you click the arrow top right it will take you directly to the post.

Its Page 362 mate.

Although its 362 on my phone might be different on a laptop etc.

Just for reference, there's a little symbol in the top right of each post (two lines and three dots) that is a link to that specific post :)

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29 minutes ago, kye said:

Just for reference, there's a little symbol in the top right of each post (two lines and three dots) that is a link to that specific post :)

That's precisely what I did.

So if @Kisaha clicked where the red arrow goes he gets to the exact post, rather than clicking where the blue arrow goes which takes him to the first post.

The issue was his link clicking game being weak  ;) 

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1 hour ago, BTM_Pix said:

That's precisely what I did.

So if @Kisaha clicked where the red arrow goes he gets to the exact post, rather than clicking where the blue arrow goes which takes him to the first post.

The issue was his link clicking game being weak  ;) 

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Yeah, I am not a good clicker! 

I have some big decisions to take the next couple of days (1. full set of lenses for whatever camera system - split between E and EF at the moment, probably EF+P4K 2. Led lights 3. "Huge" backpack 4. Flowtech FSB4/Ace/GH06 5. 360 camera 6. Big investmemt in sound 7. Logo/site e.t.c e.t.c) so I am missing a lot of the smaller things at the moment!

Thank you guys keeping me inline, true e-pals!

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6 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

Yeah, I am not a good clicker! 

I have some big decisions to take the next couple of days (1. full set of lenses for whatever camera system - split between E and EF at the moment, probably EF+P4K 2. Led lights 3. "Huge" backpack 4. Flowtech FSB4/Ace/GH06 5. 360 camera 6. Big investmemt in sound 7. Logo/site e.t.c e.t.c) so I am missing a lot of the smaller things at the moment!

Thank you guys keeping me inline, true e-pals!

I'm just about to take delivery of a GH06 head so I'll test it against my FSB4 for you.

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2 hours ago, Kisaha said:

Yeah, I am not a good clicker! 

I have some big decisions to take the next couple of days (1. full set of lenses for whatever camera system - split between E and EF at the moment, probably EF+P4K 2. Led lights 3. "Huge" backpack 4. Flowtech FSB4/Ace/GH06 5. 360 camera 6. Big investmemt in sound 7. Logo/site e.t.c e.t.c) so I am missing a lot of the smaller things at the moment!

Thank you guys keeping me inline, true e-pals!

Lol, neither is mine.. I checked the link before I posted and again on my phone. I failed both tests! 😞😞😞

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2 hours ago, Shirozina said:

I'm just about to take delivery of a GH06 head so I'll test it against my FSB4 for you.

Wow! That would be amazing, because I am litteraly ready to put my order. Are you going to have some news until tmrow do you think?! (I was litteraly speaking about the litteraly part! I just did one impulse buy today, do not want to do another one for such a serious thing. Just payed for the Insta X, going to get it now).

I do not see much vignetting on the 18-35mm, even the ultra seems usable, maybe with a slight crop. Them agsin, I am watching on my phone.

As it is, I believe the trio of Regain/Ultra/Viltrox EF-M1 make for an excellent set of adapters for all lenses and all uses. If I am getting a m43 camera, that is what I am doing.

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On 3/19/2019 at 7:45 AM, Anaconda_ said:

Is anyone using the Braw player on Mac? I can't get it to work with the .sidecar files, whether they're in the same folder as the clip or not, I always see the raw video, with none on my colours etc. I've done a grade in Resolve, and clicked the 'Update Sidecar' button in the raw properties, but still nothing. Any ideas why?

What version of the player and what Resolve version are you using?
What GPU and OSX version?

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10 hours ago, Kisaha said:

Wow! That would be amazing, because I am litteraly ready to put my order. Are you going to have some news until tmrow do you think?! (I was litteraly speaking about the litteraly part! I just did one impulse buy today, do not want to do another one for such a serious thing. Just payed for the Insta X, going to get it now).

I do not see much vignetting on the 18-35mm, even the ultra seems usable, maybe with a slight crop. Them agsin, I am watching on my phone.

As it is, I believe the trio of Regain/Ultra/Viltrox EF-M1 make for an excellent set of adapters for all lenses and all uses. If I am getting a m43 camera, that is what I am doing.

Kisaha, I have used a wide range of lenses with the P4K and have been happy with them. Perhaps this will help you.

Here are a few:

NOTE: My Metabones doesn't AF with any of my lenses (that I recall). I also don't get vignetting with the 0.71 adapter (that I recall).

  • Metabones 0.71 + Sigma 18-35 EF
  • Metabones 0.71 + Tokina 11-16 EF
  • Metabones 0.71 + Canon 24-105 EF
  • Metabones 0.71 + Canon 100-400 EF
  • Metabones 0.71 + Sigma 20mm f/1.8
  • Panasonic 12-35 f/2.8
  • Panasonic 35-100 f/2.8
  • Olympus 12-100 f/4
  • Sigma 16 f/1.4
  • Sigma 30 f/1.4
  • Panasonic 42.5 f/1.2
  • Rokinon Cinema DS 85mm T1.5

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8 minutes ago, drm said:

Kisaha, I have used a wide range of lenses with the P4K and have been happy with them. Perhaps this will help you.

Here are a few:

NOTE: My Metabones doesn't AF with any of my lenses (that I recall). I also don't get vignetting with the 0.71 adapter (that I recall).

  • Metabones 0.71 + Sigma 18-35 EF
  • Metabones 0.71 + Tokina 11-16 EF
  • Metabones 0.71 + Canon 24-105 EF
  • Metabones 0.71 + Canon 100-400 EF
  • Metabones 0.71 + Sigma 20mm f/1.8
  • Panasonic 12-35 f/2.8
  • Panasonic 35-100 f/2.8
  • Olympus 12-100 f/4
  • Sigma 16 f/1.4
  • Sigma 30 f/1.4
  • Panasonic 42.5 f/1.2
  • Rokinon Cinema DS 85mm T1.5

>>>>NOTE: My Metabones doesn't AF with any of my lenses (that I recall).

Why is this?  Does it not work with the BMP4K?

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1 minute ago, buggz said:

>>>>NOTE: My Metabones doesn't AF with any of my lenses (that I recall).

Why is this?  Does it not work with the BMP4K?

I actually don't know why it doesn't work. I assume it is a firmware issue with Metabones. It works fine on my GH5 & GH5s cameras.

My understanding is that other people have the same issue with their Metabones 0.71 adapters. I think that I recall seeing comments like that on this forum.

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4 hours ago, buggz said:

Why is this?  Does it not work with the BMP4K?

AF doesn't work on any adapted lenses, it's not just Metabones. 

9 hours ago, CaptainHook said:

What version of the player and what Resolve version are you using?
What GPU and OSX version?

Turns out it was user error. It was working, but wouldn't show my LUT which did a lot of the work in the darker areas of my frame, so when I opened it in the player, the scene looked very different. Last night I whacked the curves right down to make a black image, saved sidecar, and then the played showed a black image. My bad.... Do you know if .sidecar will support LUTs in the future? Can the Raw Player look into DaVinci's LUTs folder on the system to connect to them?

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2 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

Turns out it was user error. It was working, but wouldn't show my LUT which did a lot of the work in the darker areas of my frame, so when I opened it in the player, the scene looked very different. Last night I whacked the curves right down to make a black image, saved sidecar, and then the played showed a black image. My bad.... Do you know if .sidecar will support LUTs in the future? Can the Raw Player look into DaVinci's LUTs folder on the system to connect to them?

Resolve 15.3 has a build of SDK 1.3 which does support LUTs in the sidecar, they just need to be manually placed in the sidecar at this time (we would like to add the ability to add LUTs to the sidecar through the Resolve UI in a future update).

If you're brave I've attached a sample sidecar with a 3DLUT (B&W to make it easy to tell its working) which shows the syntax needed. Open the sidecar in a text editor and you can copy in any Resolve formatted 3DLUT (can also open LUTs in a text editor) into the sidecar file data section (inside the quotes) and make sure the "post_3dlut_sidecar_size" number matches the "LUT_3D_SIZE" from the 3DLUT. Just rename the sidecar file to the same as your clip. If you are going to add it to an existing sidecar, put it at the top of the sidecar data inside the curly brace (the current build in Resolve requires it but a future build will not be as strict) and put a comma after the LUT data quote (this is JSON syntax). If you already have the clip in a Resolve timeline, you'll need to remove the clip from the timeline and from the media pool and relink it as Resolve will cache and not pick up the sidecar change. If you just want to test, making a new project and bringing in the clip might be faster.

You'll need to use Blackmagic RAW player 1.3 which is inside the Resolve app bundle so make sure that version is the one being used when viewing clips not using Resolve.
In general though so you are aware the sidecar is just for the controls you find in the RAW panel, the SDK (and applications using it) can't recreate all the complex colour grading operations you can do in Resolve. :)

I've also attached a sample Blackmagic RAW frame with an embedded 3DLUT. If you view this in Resolve, go to the RAW panel and change to clip decode and you will see you can enable/disable the 3DLUT, and change from the embedded 3DLUT to the sidecar LUT. This gives you more options for making sure when passing around clips the intention of how you want it to look is preserved non-destructively in any app that supports SDK 1.3+ (when released) which i think is pretty cool!

 

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4 hours ago, Emanuel said:

You should include CinemaDNG as well.

Yet more crystal clear:

 

DNG 'looks' like it has sharpening applied with it's overly emphasised edges. Anyway who looks at a film at 300% an come to think of it who look at a film at 100%??? 'sharpness' is not the reason to choose BRAW anyway. Having the post production flexibility of not having and ISO curve and WB baked in is a bigger advantage than apparent 'sharpness' gains at 300%.

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