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Your just silly Jon. That humidity over there has gotten to you. Yeah YOU are going to pay 1300 bucks for it, and you will end up with a extra copy of Resolve you can give to the Sisters of the Poor. They will pray for you.

I will Only have to pay 995 for the camera and 295 for Resolve. But hell you can afford it Jon. Tax write off. 😬

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14 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

It does not retail for 1300 Dollars. It ALSO comes with Resolve, the version I don't own. If you bought the full version then you got screwed! What the hell do you shoot that goes for an hour straight?? If I shoot for 3 minutes straight I am doing good.

Did you ever own the original BMPCC? Hell it was good for about 15 to 20 minutes tops on a battery. You carried about 6 batteries in each pocket using it. This camera ought to be a dream compared to it. Heck my A7s with the battery grip is lucky to go over an hour straight.

The a7s is outdated. The new a7* cameras can shoot for 2-1/2 to 3 hours on a single battery. Event shooters, vloggers, wedding photographers, documentarians, those shooting interviews or narrative - practically anyone can appreciate longer battery life. 

First, you exaggerate the cost of the Pocket, then the battery life - then you assume that just because three minutes is good enough for you, it must be good enough for the entire world. But I know you’ll keep digging in, because like you said, facts don’t matter, you’re just playing around.

6 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Your just silly Jon. That humidity over there has gotten to you. 

The humidity has worked wonders for my eczema. 😂

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5 minutes ago, jonpais said:

The a7s is outdated. The new a7* cameras can shoot for 2-1/2 to 3 hours on a single battery. Event shooters, vloggers, wedding photographers, documentarians, those shooting interviews or narrative - practically anyone can appreciate longer battery life. 

First, you exaggerate the cost of the Pocket, then the battery life - then you assume because twenty minutes is good enough for you, it must be good enough for the entire world. But I know you’ll keep digging in, because like you said, facts don’t matter, you’re just playing around.

People are not going to use this camera for long shoots. This is not a Corporate, Doc camera. That is Canon C100, C300 territory.  Vloggers, Weddings hell it doesn't even have AF worth shit. Yeah right.

You are not going to by the damn thing anyways, why do you care?

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Just now, webrunner5 said:

People are not going to use this camera for long shoots. This is not a Corporate, Doc camera. That is Canon C100, C300 territory.  Vloggers, Weddings hell it doesn't even have AF worth shit. Yeah right.

You are not going to by the damn thing anyways, why do you care?

You keep moving the goal posts. 😂 First it’s 1 hour; then it’s like three minutes is good enough; then it’s nobody’s going to shoot corporate or documentaries; then it’s Jon’s not gonna buy it anyhow, so why should he care? 🤣 You funny.

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2 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

I bet 40% of the people that buy this camera will sell the damn thing on ebay in less than 3 months. This is not going to be a walk in the park camera to use.

These dire predictions of 40-50% of purchasers selling their batcam on ebay in less than three months are killing me. But totally irrelevant in light of the fact that we were discussing your imaginary $800 camera and two-hour battery life. 😂

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23 minutes ago, jonpais said:

You keep moving the goal posts. 😂 First it’s 1 hour; then it’s like three minutes is good enough; then it’s nobody’s going to shoot corporate or documentaries; then it’s Jon’s not gonna buy it anyhow, so why should he care? 🤣 You funny.

How long are your takes at each time you turn it on record? 30 seconds, less than a minute? You can't change a battery every half hour or so. You really want some big ass bulky thing on a tripod with a V Lock battery, 7" monitor, big  microphone hanging off of it, and maybe a cage and on and on?  sure we can do that but, we might as well buy a C100 to do that. Plus you already have all that stuff.  So do I.

The only thing you need is a few extra batteries and some C Fast cards, and pick they baby up and go. 😁

17 minutes ago, jonpais said:

These dire predictions of 40-50% of purchasers selling their batcam on ebay in less than three months are killing me. But totally irrelevant in light of the fact that we were discussing your imaginary $800 camera and two-hour battery life. 😂

Oh now it's 800 bucks. Hmm, you are funny tonight. Oh I think even you will sell it if you actually buy one.. I think you will be disappointed as hell with it. Hell I might not like it. It is not going to be auto much of anything I bet.

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11 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Oh I think even you will sell it if you actually buy one.. I think you will be disappointed as hell with it.

You’re kidding right? I’ve been trying to find a home for my a7 III ever since Ken Wheeler revealed the e mount is actually a garbage crop mount!

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29 minutes ago, jonpais said:

You’re kidding right? I’ve been trying to find a home for my a7 III ever since Ken Wheeler revealed the e mount is actually a garbage crop mount!

Yeah that is pretty funny. I have known that for years. It is a E mount, same that was on the NEX-3. Nothing new to me. Sony FF lenses are called FE but it is still an E Mount flange. I am not really sure if they, Sony, really had making it work as a FF at the start. I guess they did?? It works, but it is tight no doubt. But it would not have been as small of a camera if it had a larger flange diameter.

I don't see how the new Nikon's can ever be as small as a A6500 even in APSC size. No way they are going to come up with 2 different mounts. They can't be that dumb. They should have changed years ago and they would not have this problem. At least Canon bit the bullet years ago. I am still thinking Canon is going to come out with their top one with a long Snout so they can use EF lenses on it with no adapter. Why make a new mount for FF. They would have a hell of an edge even on Sony let alone Nikon for all their existing lenses. Adapters suck, they really do. They are a weak link in the chain. You leave it at home, you brought the wrong one, on and on. They rarely fit tight, none waterproof that I know of, etc.

I just don't see some Canon Pro at the 2020 Olympics shitting around with adapters LoL. I guess they could Weld one on, or for that matter won't be a lot of BM PK4's there either I bet. 😲

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2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Did you ever own the original BMPCC? Hell it was good for about 15 to 20 minutes tops on a battery. You carried about 6 batteries in each pocket using it. This camera ought to be a dream compared to it. Heck my A7s with the battery grip is lucky to go over an hour straight.

We once burned through 13 batteries for a BMPCC on a music video I was a 1st AC for. 

 

 

For my own personal BMPCC I had a simple solution: Sony BP-U30 (or even BP-U60), a couple of those can last me on even the longest shoots. 

 

38 minutes ago, Germy1979 said:

Well.  That escalated quickly.

Well. Indeed.

 

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Out of Likes. Yeah they were pretty terrible but man the output. Lot better than changing a film cartridge like every 2 to 3 minutes minutes in a Super 8mm film movie camera I can tell you that! 😬 

I really don't mind changing batteries often. I never shoot for long periods, and batteries sucked even more years ago. But yeah it would be nice not to have to worry about them. But no matter how long they last somebody would piss and moan they don't last 2 days. 😄

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1 hour ago, Germy1979 said:

Well.  That escalated quickly.

And to think all you need to do is quote the list price at B&H and say you’ll need media and batteries (which have come free with every camera I’ve purchased in the past 5 years btw). 😂

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1 minute ago, Anaconda_ said:

And lenses

And sound

And all the other stuff that also applies to every other camera out there. 😂

precisely. but let’s argue about it anyhow since I’m retired and have nothing but time on my hands. 🤣

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5 minutes ago, jonpais said:

precisely. but let’s argue about it anyhow since I’m retired and have nothing but time on my hands. 🤣

Not arguing, just thought it was funny. 

13 minutes ago, jonpais said:

And to think all you need to do is quote the list price at B&H and say you’ll need media and batteries (which have come free with every camera I’ve purchased in the past 5 years btw). 😂

Not sure if you noticed, but BMD have stated that this camera will come with 1 battery in the box. The above quote kinda sounds like you're saying that it doesn't come with any battery, so wanted to clarify. Sure one won't last too long,  but LPE6 batteries are so cheap. If you don't already have any they're like €30 for 2 and a charger. Or like said, you could go the external power route at a later date.

My point is, you can use the camera out of the box. I'm fairly confident that even the 95mbps Sandisk cards will be able to handle LT and maybe even 422 at 25/30p. I'd say most of us here have those cards or something similar, so can shoot on the very first day the camera arrives without having to buy anything extra.

2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

This is not a Corporate, Doc camera.

To me it seems perfect for that, in fact, that's almost exactly what I intend to use this camera for, as well as live music performance - not concerts, but performed specifically for the camera - The only reason it won't be fantastic in a documentary situation is the battery, but as discussed, there's easy ways around that. And IS, but that depends on your style of shooting and style of doc. For me, it won't be a problem.

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To be honest I would love to see Smartphones get about twice as better as they are now and I would be in business. I am amazed what little effort is required to get decent video now out of one compared to packing all the crap you need for a decent rig. And I don't think it is that far off to be honest. Now sure you aren't going to make a feature film with one anytime soon, but for the average stuff a lot of us do, lugging around a kit from hell is a bit overboard. 😵

2 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

Not arguing, just thought it was funny. 

Not sure if you noticed, but BMD have stated that this camera will come with 1 battery in the box. The above quote kinda sounds like you're saying that it doesn't come with any battery, so wanted to clarify. Sure one won't last too long,  but LPE6 batteries are so cheap. If you don't already have any they're like €30 for 2 and a charger. Or like said, you could go the external power route at a later date.

My point is, you can use the camera out of the box. I'm fairly confident that even the 95mbps Sandisk cards will be able to handle LT and maybe even 422 at 25/30p. I'd say most of us here have those cards or something similar, so can shoot on the very first day the camera arrives without having to buy anything extra.

To me it seems perfect for that, in fact, that's almost exactly what I intend to use this camera for, as well as live music performance - not concerts, but performed specifically for the camera - The only reason it won't be fantastic in a documentary situation is the battery, but as discussed, there's easy ways around that. And IS, but that depends on your style of shooting and style of doc. For me, it won't be a problem.

I don't think Push AF is going to be fun doing Run n Gun. But sure most music videos are shot on a Cine Camera with no AF. You can always use a wide as hell lens and set it to like f5.6 and get Everything in focus. 😛

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3 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

Not arguing, just thought it was funny. 

Not sure if you noticed, but BMD have stated that this camera will come with 1 battery in the box. The above quote kinda sounds like you're saying that it doesn't come with any battery, so wanted to clarify. Sure one won't last too long,  but LPE6 batteries are so cheap. If you don't already have any they're like €30 for 2 and a charger. Or like said, you could go the external power route at a later date.

My point is, you can use the camera out of the box. I'm fairly confident that even the 95mbps Sandisk cards will be able to handle LT and maybe even 422 at 25/30p. I'd say most of us here have those cards or something similar, so can shoot on the very first day the camera arrives without having to buy anything extra.

To me it seems perfect for that, in fact, that's almost exactly what I intend to use this camera for, as well as live music performance - not concerts, but performed specifically for the camera - The only reason it won't be fantastic in a documentary situation is the battery, but as discussed, there's easy ways around that. And IS, but that depends on your style of shooting and style of doc. For me, it won't be a problem.

Not arguing with you either, @Anaconda_ . 

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I just think a Canon C100 mk II would be my go to for Corporate, Doc work. Heck Wide DR right OOC can nearly work on them. Who wants to grade and color all day for that kind of work. Now music videos, sure I will take the BM over a Canon. It's the old, no one camera thingy.

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1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:

Out of Likes. Yeah they were pretty terrible but man the output. Lot better than changing a film cartridge like every 2 to 3 minutes minutes in a Super 8mm film movie camera I can tell you that! 😬 

 I really don't mind changing batteries often. I never shoot for long periods, and batteries sucked even more years ago. But yeah it would be nice not to have to worry about them. But no matter how long they last somebody would piss and moan they don't last 2 days. 😄


Seems even in 2018 there are still very high end cameras out there which require you to reload the media and batteries again on a very frequent basis:

http://jwsoundgroup.net/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=31876&content_commentid=350277

 

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