Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill

[Thpriest 120]

2 minutes ago, deezid said:

It's really sad. This camera could've been fantastic.
The S1H seems to do the same processing and therefor has the same issues as the S1.
That means only recording RAW externally may help...

Yeah, I had real high hopes for this because Panasonic gets so much right. But these kind of problems make a camera unusable in many situations.

[1Ale82 17]

35 minutes ago, deezid said:

Also encountered another big issue.
The infamous ghosting issue from the GH5 which was fixed with firmware 2.0 made its comeback.

Really thinking about selling the camera again. All my artificial light shots are basically messed up.

 

What kind of recording was it? Internal, external?

[deezid 427]

Just now, 1Ale82 said:

What kind of recording was it? Internal, external?

Internal. But external is affected as well since the processing is done before encoding.
Already tried it using an odyssey 7q+ recording prores 

[deezid 427]

Started debugging with Nick Driftwood.
Seems like only V-Log is affected.
Only V-Log is affected by the strange gamut clipping issue.

Wondering what is going on...

35 minutes ago, Thpriest said:

Yeah, I had real high hopes for this because Panasonic gets so much right. But these kind of problems make a camera unusable in many situations.

Seems like HLG is perfectly clean!
No ghosting at all.

Also no gamut clipping.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pP3N3uPVIQhYYshomAZGhWJjHsNO0I3L

[1Ale82 17]

Just now, deezid said:

Started debugging with Nick Driftwood.
Seems like only V-Log is affected.
Only V-Log is affected by the strange gamut clipping issue.

Wondering what is going on...

Instead you found the ghosting in both VLog and non Vlog?

[deezid 427]

Just now, 1Ale82 said:

Instead you found the ghosting in both VLog and non Vlog?

Nope, only V-Log.
HLG doesn't have any temporal NR (ghosting) nor gamut issues.
Until it's fixed keep using HLG.

[Mike Mgee 7]

9 minutes ago, deezid said:

Nope, only V-Log.
HLG doesn't have any temporal NR (ghosting) nor gamut issues.
Until it's fixed keep using HLG.

Shit...since the issue fixed..wanna swap with the 6k now?

 

I joke.

[deezid 427]

Just now, Mike Mgee said:

Shit...since the issue fixed..wanna swap with the 6k now?

 

I joke.

Whenever V-Log gets updates I would prefer the S1 - even in terms of color.
But right now I would prefer shooting on BMD Pocket cameras.

[thephoenix 5]

if i get all this right, you're waiting weeks for the vlog firmware to be shipped.

so how long will you wait to get the vlog fw update ? 🤔 (and we got to hope that it will fix the issue)

 

[deezid 427]

4 hours ago, thephoenix said:

if i get all this right, you're waiting weeks for the vlog firmware to be shipped.

so how long will you wait to get the vlog fw update ? 🤔 (and we got to hope that it will fix the issue)

 

Really hoping soon, but not expecting.

On the GH5 it took quite a while until the issue has been fixed. Let's see what happens.
Need the camera in late October for another big project in Ghana...

[Mike Mgee 7]

@deezid Imma wait till the end of the financial year before making a decision. But the footage you shot makes the camera look very promising. Hopefully Panasonic will fix their S1 issues by then.  If not there always the RED Komodo.

[funkyou86 174]

How and when is this blue clipping occurring in V-Log? I just shot a scene where my main keylight had CTB gels and my footage is clean. 

[deezid 427]

11 minutes ago, funkyou86 said:

How and when is this blue clipping occurring in V-Log? I just shot a scene where my main keylight had CTB gels and my footage is clean. 

Blue content on phones, screens, TVs,
Dark blue clothing in direct sunlight
Blue LEDs
etc

[funkyou86 174]

13 minutes ago, deezid said:

Blue content on phones, screens, TVs,
Dark blue clothing in direct sunlight
Blue LEDs
etc

Thanks!

I also shot a talent [who wore a blue dress] in direct sunlight, now I'm wondering why didn't that happened to my footage. I'm still new to S1 so probably have to do some additional tests...

[deezid 427]

16 hours ago, funkyou86 said:

Thanks!

I also shot a talent [who wore a blue dress] in direct sunlight, now I'm wondering why didn't that happened to my footage. I'm still new to S1 so probably have to do some additional tests...

This just happened with my colorchecker in direct sunlight 

Whenever there's something blue and slightly overexposed in your shot (like objects outside a window) be prepared to run into issues like that.
There's no roll-off for blues at all, almost like they did forget about adding it...

Original clips
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IlfWM7jDVwh5GMAQk7RnLfp_FCscAojP

[Patrick B. 16]

I thought part of the advantage of having full v-gamut was to avoid things like this. 😐

[deezid 427]

50 minutes ago, Patrick B. said:

I thought part of the advantage of having full v-gamut was to avoid things like this. 😐

Ironically it's the only profile on the S1 showing this issue

[nathlas 32]

Ι believe it's a problem that could be solved through firmware.

 

Has anyone notfied Panasonic for this ? 

[Patrick B. 16]

Good question. I believe it was also noted in the Newshooter S1H article when he referred to the “highlight bleed” in the blue channel. 

[Mmmbeats 133]

1 hour ago, nathlas said:

Has anyone notfied Panasonic for this ? 

If they haven't had an Apollo 13 operation running on this for the past 96 (or however many) hours, then they may as well start selling taffy (whatever taffy is).