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5 minutes ago, tonysss said:

 

I still see GH5s everywhere  🙂  

I have to wait with the purchase...

That’s the problem. I’m sure the image from the P4K is more pure, but for the extra bells and whistles, it’s hard to justify the P4K over the GH5/s.

In about a year, I’ll have updated my computer and will probably want to move up to 4K. If ML does some miracles with the 5D4, then that’s the way I’ll go, if not the P4K will be a serious contender for me. Unless Olympus or some company offers ProRes and IBIS. John Brawley is an Olympus ambassador, so it may be possible the E-M5iii has some great video features.

We are cursed with too many options.

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28 minutes ago, tonysss said:

 

I still see GH5s everywhere  🙂  

I have to wait with the purchase...

So, worst case scenario is that the Pocket 4K is a 'GH5s Cinema Series' camera? Like the GH5s but better colour science, better codecs, internal RAW, Phantom powered XLR, Timecode capability,  and includes a full version of Resolve for $1000USD cheaper than Panasonics Vlogger/ stills focussed GH5s that has a flappy screen, Autofocus and takes stills which the latter two functions are features I never use on my video cameras anyway............I'm cool with that! The GH5S is a great little camera.

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1 hour ago, A_Urquhart said:

So, worst case scenario is that the Pocket 4K is a 'GH5s Cinema Series' camera? Like the GH5s but better colour science, better codecs, internal RAW, Phantom powered XLR, Timecode capability,  and includes a full version of Resolve for $1000USD cheaper than Panasonics Vlogger/ stills focussed GH5s that has a flappy screen, Autofocus and takes stills which the latter two functions are features I never use on my video cameras anyway............I'm cool with that! The GH5S is a great little camera.

The GH5S has an option for XLR inputs with phantom power and they sound clean. It also supports timecode. Let’s not forget it’s not made of plastic, is weather sealed, has great battery life, supports anamorphic modes and has an EVF. There’s more... but you get the idea.

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33 minutes ago, DBounce said:

The GH5S has an option for XLR inputs with phantom power and they sound clean. It also supports timecode. Let’s not forget it’s not made of plastic, is weather sealed, has great battery life, supports anamorphic modes and has an EVF. There’s more... but you get the idea.

Yeah I really think a used GH5s is serious tool, with a ton of features, for a fair price for what it offers.  New, they are 2000 bucks.

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I love the GH5, particularly IBIS. I do love the image that I've seen coming out of the GH5s, but I just couldn't see paying $2000+ for that camera. The image is too close to the P4K (or GH5) for me to switch or buy the GH5s.

So for me it'll either be to stay with my GH5, or go to the P4K. And really this comes down to trading IBIS, ETC, and battery life for image/color science, codec (and upcoming .braw), better lowlight, Resolve, and great menu. And honestly, that last one is yuge. I really dislike working on the GH5 because of it's menu. It slows me down, and that is the point of these cameras in the first place. 

Though I do go back and forth on the P4K, the more footage that comes out, the more I am liking it. I plan on keeping my pre-order on q. Maybe even testing them side by side before deciding which to keep. 

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2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Yeah I really think a used GH5s is serious tool, with a ton of features, for a fair price for what it offers.  New, they are 2000 bucks.

It is 2499 euros here (3000 bucks almost) and that XLR thingy someone mentioned starts from 320euros. 

The price in difference is vast, and honestly, I do not consider the GH5s a serious photo camera. I need at least 24mgpxls to be safe on photo jobs, I do not know any professionals shooting with such a small resolution (that applies to A7s too), or that wpuld be confident using one for paid jobs.

I double on the menu system. It is really terrible on most cameras, and Sony still has limited touch screen interface. For some of us those 2 count. I have worked extensively with Sony cameras through the years and I hated the experience.

Does anyone know what gimbals are compatible with the Pocket4K? Especially these 2 new Moza and Zhiyun are really interesting.

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As far as menus go, I haven’t particularly liked any of them, whether Fuji, Sony or Panasonic.

But being able to assign the most frequently used items to function buttons and having a customizable ‘my menu’ takes some of the pain away.

Sony’s also got that fn menu with room for 12 additional customizable items which is pretty great if you ask me.

Just how many fn buttons are there on the P4K anyway?

 

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7 minutes ago, Jonesy Jones said:

Have you personal experience with the OS on newer BM cameras? It's awesome. So nice. 

And I believe there are at least 3 assignable buttons.

I own the Video Assist and I’ve watched several tutorials showing off the P4K menu interface. But I’m afraid I much prefer fn buttons to diving into a menu, however nicely thought out it is. But that’s just me.

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There are three function buttons. You can set them to toggle a setting or do a preset. 

With the BM interface there is really no diving into a menu - it is so intuitive and easy to use. Certainly one of cleanest and efficient interfaces of any device.

Possibly a consequence of only having limited options available (cf Sony A7x) but that notwithstanding the interface just works.

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1 hour ago, Kisaha said:

I do not know any professionals shooting with such a small resolution (that applies to A7s too), or that wpuld be confident using one for paid jobs.

I disagree. I just used a Nikon d4 on a pro job and heard not one complaint from my client.

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2 hours ago, Kisaha said:

It is 2499 euros here (3000 bucks almost) and that XLR thingy someone mentioned starts from 320euros. 

The price in difference is vast, and honestly, I do not consider the GH5s a serious photo camera. I need at least 24mgpxls to be safe on photo jobs, I do not know any professionals shooting with such a small resolution (that applies to A7s too), or that wpuld be confident using one for paid jobs.

I double on the menu system. It is really terrible on most cameras, and Sony still has limited touch screen interface. For some of us those 2 count. I have worked extensively with Sony cameras through the years and I hated the experience.

Does anyone know what gimbals are compatible with the Pocket4K? Especially these 2 new Moza and Zhiyun are really interesting.

I’ve shot quite a few paid jobs with a Panasonic LX100. But then I prefer a camera as small as possible to be discreet. I also prefer people not to realise I’m working. My clients pay for my behaviour, not so much megapixels.

What type of photography are you shooting paid work for?

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