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On 4/10/2018 at 2:47 PM, SR said:

If their reaction to the original Pocket is any indicator, I highly doubt it too.

 

I bet 2018 will pass by without any of the traditional companies putting raw video (or even raw video output) into any of their stills cameras.

 

 

On 4/10/2018 at 3:35 PM, jonpais said:

In the cinema5D interview, Grant Petty was making it out to be perfect for selfies. Not sure what’s up with that.


It did seem very strange to me to say that about a camera which doesn't have a screen that can face you!! :-/

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8 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

It did seem very strange to me to say that about a camera which doesn't have a screen that can face you!! :-/

I would also hold a camera with my right hand if I was going to film myself, and I assumer most right handed people would do the same, so that extra record button won't be all that helpfull. In the presentation, Grant noted he was left handed, and so it's perfect for him. Selfish man! :grimace:

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On 4/10/2018 at 4:12 PM, Matt Kieley said:

Plus I'm sure the used prices for the first Pocket will go down low enough that there would be more to gain by just keeping it than selling.

I'll be very curious if come September if the Pocket and Micro Cinema secondhand prices will finally drop below US$500 (which is what the BMPCC used to sell for new!)

On 4/10/2018 at 5:52 PM, anonim said:

To me It looks like black magic flavor of crowdfunding...

Total nonsense. 

Crowdfunding is to get money in before manufacturing starts.

While BMD won't see a penny of this prior to them being sold to the dealers 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Total nonsense. 

Crowdfunding is to get money in before manufacturing starts.

While BMD won't see a penny of this prior to them being sold to the dealers 

 

 

Thanks for clarification :) As I wrote, and to repeat total nonsense  - it looks like black magic flavor of crowdfunding...

I mean, it is new flavor - BM so often redefine the game, so it looks like innovative (delaying) version: stop buyers to buy competitive products in expecting your and mobilizing eco system third part creators. If you like more nonsense - it looks to me as time-based crowdfunding :) (Because time is money... at least in one version of definition.)

I remember situation with BMCCC camera - year and half after preordering buyers didn't get it... I hope it is not the case now... with all really great respect, with BM history I learned to often reckon on word "hope".

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On 4/10/2018 at 5:52 PM, sanveer said:

Btw I still didn't figure out why there is money flying around that biker in that scene with the camera. 


It is all the money they saved by buying a BMPCC4K!

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5 minutes ago, anonim said:

Thanks for clarification :) As I wrote, and to repeat total nonsense  - it looks like black magic flavor of crowdfunding...

 


I think just adding the word "flavor" in the front stretches the meaning of the word rather too far!

 

5 minutes ago, anonim said:

I mean, it is new flavor - BM so often redefine the game, so it looks like innovative (delaying) version: stop buyers to buy competitive products in expecting your and mobilizing eco system third part creators. If you like more nonsense - it looks to me as time-based crowdfunding :) (Because time is money... at least in one version of definition.)


Tonnes of companies do this!

This is a major source of leaks/rumors you see on websites, is companies strategically releasing some new info so as to keep buyers within the fold and not drifting off to a competitor's product. 

And is why they will at times talk officially too about products they have in development. For instance Zoom showing off the F8n might have stopped me wandering off to consider other recorders for my next purchase, instead waiting a few more months to see what happens with the F8n in July. 

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3 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

I am beginning to believe the photo mode on this camera will probably ens up being like the, what was it, the Oly EM mk II with a 4k Frame grab?? Probably will be in the 8mp range. Maybe not a frame grab, but I don't see how it can be much over 8mp. But hey that gets the job done for a lot of stuff. The sensor tops out at 10.7MP so it can't be more than. And I doubt that is even the effective output.

Presume it will be 10.2MP, assuming it’s the same Sony sensor as GH5S 

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On 4/10/2018 at 6:16 PM, Emanuel said:

Still on topic... This is a Mark II product. From a well-known camera manufacturer and Resolve provider, amongst other goodies.

Far away to be any introductory technology based on crowdfunding. Well, unless we have to call the mainstream RED the same... ;-)

Exactly. 

And also because it is a Mark II product I expect it will ship with less teething issues than some past BMD products have had. 

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On 4/10/2018 at 6:22 PM, Mark Romero 2 said:

A Ha!!! Now you know how we sony a6500 owners felt when the GH5 came out...

:grin:

In all seriousness, I might sell my Sonys and buy an GH5 and some MFT lenses and then pick up the BMPCC4K when it comes out in September.


Don't worry, you can look at the a6300 owners and think about how they felt when your a6500 came out! ;-)

 

23 hours ago, cantsin said:

Blackmagic has clearly stated at NAB that the 1080p mode is windowed.

But is that only when doing HFR? 

Can it be non-windowed in 1080 24p? I would assume so. 

 

23 hours ago, tyger11 said:

120p HFR is windowed, full sensor downsample to 1080p at 60p was also mentioned though.

Whoops, I spoke too soon. 

23 hours ago, JordanWright said:

Duel ISO's are 800 & 3200! No in camera NR.


No in camera NR is what makes it so impressive how clean it has been according to people who have seen it. 

 

23 hours ago, jonpais said:

Just to put things in perspective, BMD's net worth is $300 million, while Panasonic's is probably in the hundreds of billions of dollars. But no argument that BMD is a force to be reckoned with.


Does Grant Petty own 100% of BMD?

 

 

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23 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

I don't think they are mutually exclusive either.

Its more the GH5s that has the problem as far as I can see.

Prices of a used GH5 are currently dipping below £1.2k and will be further deflated by the time the Pocket 4K  actually arrives to be more or less a flat £1k.

If you add in the value of the full version of Resolve then that means you could have a GH5 AND the Pocket 4K with Resolve for pretty much the same price as the GH5s and Resolve.

In that scenario, where I could have the best of both worlds in terms of a highly featured and capable all rounder AND a cinema oriented one for the same total price (especially as they share a common lens system) then I'd really struggle to choose the GH5s over that.


A solid case is made for that. 

But the only downside I might see of that dual camera set up is GH5 & BMPCC4K might not match as easily for quick turn arounds as using two Panasonic cameras together in a two camera shoot. 

22 hours ago, Simon Young said:

I think we should think about the fact it’s supposed to be possible to load up custom LUTs on the camera, not only for monitoring but you’ll be able to bake them in. This is potentially huge for fast turnover shooting and something we’ve seen is detrimental to the image quality, which James Miller has shown with the GH5. 


Custom LUTs is a big thing I'm looking forward to about the BMPCC4K

20 hours ago, jonpais said:

None at the moment. Perhaps at launch or in a firmware update?


I thought it does? As the the URSA Mini has WFM, and they share the same underlying OS

18 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

Am I wrong thinking the BM windows at 120fps, but not 100fps? If so, that's great for PAL land :D 


No windowing at 100fps is impressive

 

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11 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Well I think you are not too up to speed about Codecs. If you think having more compressed data is a good thing well have a nice day. Hell don't buy it, that makes me higher up in the Que.

And if AF and IBIS is important then buy a camera with it in it, but don't knock it because it doesn't have it. Christ 2 years ago nobody even heard of IBIS, how the hell did anybody ever shoot stuff? Buy a GH5 or a X-H1, it sounds like what would work for you.

I compared the 10bit ALL-I on the GH5 with external 10 bit ProresHQ at 400% on a 4K monitor, and the Panasonic codec looked better with finer detail, nicer grain pattern. The prores looked blocky at 400%. 

I think modern compressed codecs are more sophisticated than Prores and much smaller file size 

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7 minutes ago, John Jay said:

I compared the 10bit ALL-I on the GH5 with external 10 bit ProresHQ at 400% on a 4K monitor, and the Panasonic codec looked better with finer detail, nicer grain pattern. The prores looked blocky at 400%. 

I think modern compressed codecs are more sophisticated than Prores and much smaller file size 

FWIW, wolfcrow also tested the GH5 with the Atomos and recommended using the internal codec instead. Same issue - strange artifacts. 

If I may chime in about crowdfunding flavors, for the life of me, I can't see how announcing the Pocket 4K five months in advance is going to prevent anyone from purchasing another camera. $1,300.00 is chump change.

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3 minutes ago, cojocaru27 said:

still no footage from the camera itself yet? 

 

I saw an interview where Grant Petty said he's been unable to film, because he can't walk around with a prototype camera incase he was spotted and it leaked. Now they're at NAB until the end of the week, but he's hoping to film some stuff on Friday. My guess is we won't see that footage, but they'll be releasing something within a month or so. just my guess though.

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7 hours ago, squig said:

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Uhhhhh, this looks so excellent. I can't wait to horse around with LUTs

2 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

But what you held wasn't what they'll ship. The models that we get will be made with a different material, so I wouldn't judge that too quickly for now.

It is a butt ugly beast - no trophy wife material here, but hey don't judge a camera by its cover. It's the inner values innit?

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