ade towell

1 hour ago, Yurolov said:

I mean the fact is no other mirrorless camera gives you full frame 8k, 4k 120p, 60p, or 8k oversampled 30p. The mere fact that you can use these settings is a great accomplishment, cause you can't use them with any other mirrorless. I'd rather have then as an option than not have them at all. I can shoot all day in standard 4k 30p mode and mix it in with some hfr modes if I want. 

To all those saying, ye but it's not worth the price...well the market will decide what it is worth. Again you don't get any of these options in any other mirrorless. 8 stops, dual pixel, uncropped 4k, flippy screen, 10 bit internal, etc etc.  

The constant moaning and complaining is unnecessary. Just compare this to the way the xt4 was treated. Apparently that camera is perfect despite having crap ibis where you can't pan and unreliable autofocus (people had to turn to YouTube and Philip bloom for that info). 

So it overheats in certain modes. Don't worry, you will be fine, it's not the end of the world. 

You seem to be taking the critique of an inanimate object way too personally. Concerns about over heating and rolling shutter are fairly reasonable for a camera costing £4200. This is 2020 and it feels like we're going backwards in some ways. Amazing tech in a body that can't handle it is nothing new, although very un Canon like. I feel the chasing of headline 8k raw has created a great concept camera that isn't reliable and has compromised the more important 4k which I would argue is the most useful resolution for the majority of people.

Feels a bit petty having a dig at another much cheaper camera over supposed preferential treatment.

Yes I was only half joking really - I love manual focus I feel it puts me much more in the scene. Until only a few years ago it was all part of basic camera skills 101, so it's funny when I hear people won't go near certain cameras now because they can't rely on AF. Am not sure how they managed to work in video production before, reliable AF has only really become a thing in the last 3 or 4 years. There are of course times when it can be handy and yes I miss focus occasionally but then so does the camera and when it does I've seen it go bat shit crazy (this was with a Canon C200)

I realise this makes me sound like an old man and sorry Logan wasn't singling you out it just made me chuckle

5 minutes ago, Logan said:

My biggest takeaway from all of this is that there are *always* trade offs.  The S1H would be my perfect camera if it had real AF functionality. The XT4 would be my perfect camera if it had unlimited record times and internal 422 10bit. The Canons would be perfect if they had unlimited recording and no overheating. 
 

🤷‍♂️

The only one you can do anything about is learn how to focus, then you can buy the S1H 😀

Sorry bad joke...

3 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

The the act of just inserting a cable will eventually break that stupid port. So be careful.

Yes you will break it eventually however careful you are. Is my least favourite thing on the XT3, even with smallrig cage and clamp it has finally given up on me

Of all the cameras already mentioned that also take photos and fit your budget, the Fuji XT3 wipes the floor with the rest if video is important to you (imo). It doesn't have IBIS though

Possible pros for SH1`- can film for as long as you want in any mode and no annoying 30 minute limit, full size hdmi is a biggie for me, those micro hdmi are a nightmare. DR looks to be better from what I have seen and read, RS is likely to be better, recording media cheaper, camera is £600 cheaper in the UK, integrated audio  xlr adaptor available, anamorphic modes

Possible pros for R5 - AF, internal RAW at 8k if you can handle it, 4k 120p in small doses (both these have an overheating risk), 4k 50p full frame, smaller lighter body

IBIS on both looks good but will only really find out with R5 when it's been properly tested by independent non Canon reps

6 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

We pay sales tax in most states here. 5-8% depending where you live. 
 

Watched Peters video. Footage looked way better than Canons live feed.

I seem a bit of artifacts in 4k120p but that is acceptable.

4K 24p looked very nice. Stabilization looked really, really good.

Very tempting. Sony, ball is in your court.

My beef is with the pricing not the camera itself - I know you can avoid tax in lots of the U.S. by buying from a different state.

I don't understand why Canon has priced this at £4200 here in the UK when it is $3900 in the U.S (£3082). That is a huge difference. 

In comparison the Panasonic S1H is £3600 in the UK, $4000 in the U.S. (£3162). Still paying more here in the UK but not such a huge difference

yes the price is ridiculous in the UK too, £4,200 whereas in the U.S. it's $3800 which works out to £3000. Horrible

fuji xt-3 used are going very cheap at the moment, amazing video and photos, pick up the excellent 18-55 and a prime or 2 and you're set

9 hours ago, Super8 said:

DP's that use it miss the proper DOF that gives you the proper cinematic look.

You really are a clown, or are you trolling... hard to tell with the amount of crap you constantly come out with

14 hours ago, Snowbro said:

@Andrew Reid I hear that the 1DX III has 12 stops of dynamic range in RAW. Canon USA replied to my question in their video & said that it is 12 stops in RAW. From what I understand, regular CLOG can get around 12 stops, but CLOG 2 can get up to 15 stops or so (canon claimed) on certain sensors. I saw a few videos where people putting the 1DX III footage into Resolve and it automatically converts it to CLOG 2, which they say has helped them get better DR than using Canons tool. 

So what do you believe? Can it get more than 12 stops in RAW with resolve? Or does this camera have a few less stops of DR vs a C200/300 etc? I wish cinema5d would test it on their new system, the pocket 6k gets 11.9 stops of DR or something like that. I wonder if this 1DX RAW is similar or better. 

From the looks of it the DR on the 1DXmk3 is a bit less than the Panasonic S1H which was measured at 12.7 stops DR by Cinema 5d. This was using 10 bit log on the Panasonic compared to RAW on the Canon - will be interesting to see  if the upcoming RAW update will increase the S1H's DR even more

Sorry bad terminology, so there's no drop in quality when using it say in 4k 25p?

Wondering if the 1.29 crop you are able to turn on for all modes is a digital zoom or if there is no quality hit from filming normal aps-c? Be a useful tele extension for all lenses if so

yes no motor noise on the f2 primes or 18-55mm or 16-55mm or 55-200mm. There may well be others I haven't tried...

http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_158948319373013&key=8bcacfaa034c0b4a66a6e2547b5154f2&libId=ka756zak01000axm000DAfsiapj86&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dvxuser.com%2FV6%2Fshowthread.php%3F366672-Canon-R5-Announced-with-8k%2Fpage25&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.canonwatch.com%2F&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dvxuser.com%2FV6%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearchid%3D22790698&title=Canon R5 Announced with 8k - Page 25&txt=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.canonwatch.com%2F

It's only a rumour but the R5 has been listed at the equivalent of over $6k on an Australian retail site

That price doesn't surprise me but a lot of folk here seem to suggest it was going to be about $4k. Seems like it could be quite a camera but wonder who here would still get it if it was indeed $6k? 

All sounds about right, a shame as not interested in an 8 bit camera and I'm not willing to pay the premium for a stills camera with a RAW feature I don't really want when I can get a proper video camera used for about the same price. 

Is a bit like the C200 conundrum for me, 8 bit is not enough, RAW too much for my needs, just give me a decent 10 bit.

Will stick with the Fuji XT3 

Thanks for all the feedback - really hope this is something Fuji can fix in firmware. Am still loving the XT3 and it looks amazing with my old Canon fd lenses, just would love to be able to use them handheld without always having to add mass to the camera to reduce shake. It's a want rather than a need though, not a great time to be thinking of new camera investment  

Have seen the warping thing on ultra wide lenses even with the GH5 which has great IBIS,  I wonder how wide you have to go before it starts appearing on the xt4?  IBIS is not so important on really wide lenses

Unfortunately the only mode I found RS acceptable on the eos-r was full frame HD but the image was closer to the soft Canon mush of their old dslrs than it was to the lovely detailed C100. Used C100s are still a great camera if you don't need 4k

When I tried the Eos-r  the higher quality HD had bad RS like the cropped 4k did. Very disappointing. 

As you say hopefully the days of crap Canon hybrids is over

I think I'd make a lot more use of RAW if it did it in 4k though. Haven't been keeping up, will the R6 be more tailored to 4k?

What about price?

It's interesting the P4k seems to be the camera mentioned a few times here being replaced by the R5 - depending on the price you can get 3 maybe 4 of the P4k to one R5. They're not in the same price bracket not even close. Same with P6K. 

I'm not sure when R5 Is due out but I'd imagine it's going to be a long time before film and video production gets back to any kind of normal. Are people really going to be in a position to invest in a camera so much more expensive than what they're currently using? Or is it going to be a time for consolidation and just trying to get by on what you have?  

Blimey I come back a few days later and you are still arguing with yourself pretty much - not being funny but you seem to have gone down a rabbit hole and killed whatever interest I had in this thread. Anyway sorry to interrupt, as you were...

11 minutes ago, Super8 said:

Sure. Canon color, better motion cadence, better IBIS, better placed dynamic range 

Colour is subjective (I actually prefer Panasonic colour science since EVA, S1 etc), the rest of these you're just guessing, IBIS and DR of the S1, SH1 are going to be hard to beat.

Hope you're right as progress benefits all of us but your Canon love in and trashing of the BM Pocket is a little OTT

6 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Not as much buzz as if they put 10bit into the C200!

That's exactly what I meant

That would work for me. Be interesting to see what the Sony fx6 offers