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Thanks for the feedback, I imagine the 10 bit is a pig to edit without a state of the art computer or by transcoding, at times I may want to bypass this for speed with long form stuff - can you use c-log in 8 bit? A pity they aren't utilising all the DR the camera has with c-log 2 & 3, I hear rumours of it coming in firmware update but I've learnt never to presume anything with these camera companies

What is the hd quality like on the R6 -  I keep reading conflicting reports on how usable it is? Would be looking preferablyat how it is in full frame mode.  At times I would need to be able to rely on the camera all day so wouldn't want to risk the 4k overheating. If the HD is C100 type quality then I could deal with the overheating and average DR, if it's closer to good old Canon dslr HD then I'm not interested. We have a lot of Canon lenses at work and it would be nice to use them a bit more rather than me always bringing my Fuji in for video stuff

I think all the Japanese companies produce great cameras that create nice looking modern digital video. Nothing wrong with that but it is what it is. To get something that looks a little less clinical and dare I say it film like you need to look at Black Magic or if you have the budget Arri (and RED to some extent). There are a few exceptions such as the Sony F35 but that was a hugely expensive production camera in its day

I had a play with a friends Canon R6 with the new Canon Rf 35mm 1.8 and was really surprised by how noisy it was when focusing on auto -  I would have thought if it was  designed for video this would be high up the list of design requests. Is what I found with Canon is that for all their great auto focus, the only lenses that didn't make horrible motor noise in AF were the really slow ef-s STM zooms. The Fuji and Sony cameras I've used have some nice fast silent AF lenses, are there any fast ones with Canon I don't know about

This looks better than anything I've seen from the A7s3, promising

No evf again - this is a big annoyance for me personally and I hate that this seems to be the way of the smaller video/cine cameras - C70 has the same omission (although so did the larger Sony fx9, fs7 - those tacked on loupes don't really count).

If it has the same image as the fx9 then it could still be an interesting camera, but if it looks like the A7s3 then no thanks, especially if you can't turn NR off

Yep what he said

In my world a few people are using them as a gimbal/b-camera but nobody is willing to risk using it as their main camera. 

Of course and if this is your bread and butter work there are cameras cheaper and better suited, I'm sure I can reel off loads of other scenarios where 4k or even hd is more important. But that's missing the point...

That's not who this camera is aimed at is all I'm saying. If you want to shoot 12k or even 8k raw without it overheating there aren't many alternatives, and for overall image quality from what I see, this camera is hard to beat for the price

You could film in 12k or even 8k and downscale to 4k - that would get you pristine 4k. Using 4k means zooming in on the sensor and with the smaller pixels is always going to be a bit noisier.

I guess my point was it was a test not using the Ursa 12k at anywhere near its best settings

Yes you don't buy the Ursa 12k to then shoot in 4k at high compression rates

2 hours ago, Geoff CB said:

Sony has an excellent 16-55 2.8 for E-mount.

But it has no IS and Sony IBIS is not great.

Anecdotal but I've read that the AF on the C70 is no better than that of the C200 which from my short test wasn't that great. Canon doesn't seem to be able to put the top AF from their stills cameras into their cinema cameras

https://petapixel.com/2020/10/15/next-fuji-x-t3-firmware-update-will-more-than-double-autofocus-speed/

A little bit of love still for the XT3, AF improvements 

What are peoples options for a decent run around zoom with IS?

The 17-55mm 2.8 had a big vignette on the c200 and I think will do the same here - it could really do with a version 2. The 18-80mm T4.4 Canon lens is wonderful and has servo but is also expensive. That leaves the good old 24-105mm f4 plus speedbooster (still quite a chunk of money) but then your AF is compromised (only covers 60% I think I read with speedbooster). The 18-135 stm lens is good for outside run n gun but slow and not a very exciting image

The RF lenses are all full frame so not wide enough 

Any decently priced zooms with IS, it seems Canon like Sony have been neglecting s35 on the lens front these last few years?

28 minutes ago, hijodeibn said:

has everything I need

except an evf...

That z-cam looks good but is still a big lump - suddenly you've got hdmi lead, power to think of (and another lead). This little camera is going to become very unwieldly quickly. 

10 minutes ago, herein2020 said:

 

  I have never even looked through my GH5's EVF, I always use the flip screen. It is way steadier to tuck your elbows and hold the camera with a 90 degree bend in your elbows close to your body than to try to use the EVF.  From there I can do pans, tilts, simulate slides, etc. all handheld.  

What do you do in bright sunlight? My ageing eyes struggle to hold the camera far enough away to be able to focus on a small screen these days but even in my youth I have always much preferred looking through a viewfinder. The way you suggest using the camera is way too low an angle for my liking most of the time  And i disagree about it being steadier but anyway don't want to digress too much. Still an exciting camera but I won't be getting one mainly for that reason. The same reason I didn't get an EVA1

This will be horrible for handheld without an evf, waving the camera in front of you like the good old days of dslr. No thanks. So annoying this seems to be the way camera companies are going with their small cameras. Would rather use a mirrorless hybrid and put up with screw on nd filters and  audio than that

Canon cinema cams are definitely going for it this year, they're after Sony's share of the market. The c300 mk3 sensor is fantastic, but I don't see any evf (crucial for me) and is the screen on the back flippable or fixed, haven't seen any images of the back? Nevertheless sounds like a great little camera, the FX6 is going to have to match it for specs - if it has the FX9 colour, an evf, and possibly IBIS, and with the variable nd and full frame it would bring something different and be able to compete

Yes I prefer the Panasonic cameras and colours to the Sony and Canon too but thought this was an interesting comparison of the 2 current flavours of the month

Really interesting comparison with the R5.

8k RAW on the R5 is very impressive, in the bread and butter 4k modes the A7s3 seems to have the edge particularly with DR and lowlight (although there is a lot of smeary NR going on with the Sony)

The R5 needs those other Clog modes and of course to sort out the overheating

Will be interesting to see how this compares with the new RF Canon Cine cameras, it needs to have the colour science of the FX9 rather than the A7s3 to really stand a chance imo

Some gorgeous shots by Note.

This camera is the most interesting of all the new releases imho, am bored of the overheating mess that is Canon, and the disappointingly video like images of the A7s3. 

On 8/16/2020 at 12:34 AM, HockeyFan12 said:

Oh, I'd rather have the XLR1 for the convenience. But I already own a MixPre3. I suppose I can also record to both and sync in post. I hate doing additional work, but it's not a lot.

I use the Mix pre-d with XT3 and did the same with the GH5, found it was best to set the audio level to manual  lowest setting on the camera and let the Sound Device lovely pre amps do all the work. Got decent quality audio, the Panasonic was a little cleaner than the Fuji so hopefully the S1 is similar

If I had a penny for every time... 

AF was discussed in a Panasonic thread

Zombie skin tones in a Sony thread

Cripple hammer (& the new kid on the block - overheating) in a Canon thread

I'd be able to buy all of them and still be complaining about not having the perfect camera. The Japanese cartel is alive and well

Interesting development but having had a micro hdmi break on me even when clamped in a cage (fortunately only for monitor not recorder) , I wouldn't want to rely on that for recording all day, especially if you can't record internally for back up. Too many other things to worry about when shooting all day without playing Russian roulette with overheating and those shitty connections