ade towell

The little detachable evf is another $700, $6000 for the proper one

Hmm yes oh well, disappointing and why are the audio controls on the bottom right side of the camera? That's a nightmare for solo shooters

oh really, that's very disappointing, am sure the CVP video mentioned it 

Looks good, IBIS is a nice surprise - wonder how effective it will be. Also surprised it doesn't have RF mount available. Slightly cheaper than had been reported but agree with Django I think this will be more for rental, most people don't seem to be wanting to spend over £10k on a camera these days

the blue channel clipping from cheap blue LED lights is a problem with pretty much all the modern sensors it seems, happens on Sony and Canon cameras too - there's an interesting thread that talks about it on DVxuser, from post #143 onwards, one solution seems to be to change the white balance to 5600k

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?365237-C500-MKII-Leaked-on-Canon-Rumors/page8

47 minutes ago, thephoenix said:

to me it is the main wickness of this camera, you cannot claim it is a cinema camera and not let fully control the settings

who claims that, certainly not Panasonic - the S1 is a hybrid camera, the S1H is the cinema camera

with Sony s-log 2 and particularly slog 3 seem to need 10 bit to work properly, the 8 bit version on the a6300 and A7s i tried were prone to banding and other strange artifacts - Canon clog and even Fuji f-log seem to be more forgiving in 8 bit (although it's nice to have the 10 bit internal with Fuji)

Yes those anamorphic lenses aren't very sharp and there are some focus issues - am liking the look though

50 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

@Cinegain, That guy has a great voice and lovely presence, very relaxing. How nerdy is that, to listen to a camera reviewer rather for the mellow vibes than for infos on cameras:) Would love to see some people to put the S1 and S1H cameras to cinema film use. One of the examples with the two bowlers had massively good color but mushy upload quality.

Here's the Vimeo version

Could do with the AF improving, firmware 3.0 seems to have made it worse than it was

what's really good about the M6 in comparison?

9 minutes ago, 1Ale82 said:

Actually if you count the 200 euro vlog update, this camera is about 1200 euro more than the S1, but if offer a lot more. By the way, I just checked cvp store and there is an offer with the XLR audio module included for free

£2999 plus VAT and with XLR module at CVP, that's cheaper than I thought it would be

Does that 16-55mm 2.8 have I.S. - can't see it listed anywhere - Sony's version of IBIS isn't good enough to use handheld without it

Camera wise yeah the XT3 is in a different league

1 hour ago, zerocool22 said:

Yeah intrested to see some great narrative/commercial/lit footage with it. The footage may look too clinical, but time will tell. Too bad its only prores raw through external recorder. Also a problem that you cannot even use prores raw in Resolve. So there is no point in even shooting prores raw right now. So BM has got them cornered in that department. 

Kinda sucks that they use SD instead of Cfast though.  

Yes not quite sure why SD is a problem, cheaper and reliable, never had one lose footage over the last 10 years or so.

This isn't clinical

Some pretty impressive rolling shutter results for the 6k as reported by Captain Hook on DVXuser

Full 6K : 19.73ms
5.7K crop : 16.26ms
2.8K crop : 7.98ms

It's ok I wasn't attacking it just letting Shell64 know not to expect too much - it is still very soft.

I had an m50 and tried using it exactly as you say as a b-cam to the c100 and the difference in quality and sharpness is pretty jarring. I found the good old Panasonic GH2 worked better when cutting between the 2. I haven't used a G7 but would imagine it is a fair amount sharper than the m50

In 4k it was sharper but still below the c100s hd, and the crop and RS are pretty considerable. But a fun camera for what it is and if it had ML I would still own one 

1 hour ago, Shell64 said:

Agreed. Especially if you only need 1080p. The quality is a lot better than previous low end canons and you get fantastic DPAF and canon colors. Part of me wants this over my g7 as I mainly shoot 1080p on it. 

I wouldn't say the quality is a lot better, is still pretty mushy on any kind of wide and lowlight is disappointing. Fun little camera though

I don't believe what most of the manufacturers claim either with regards DR, but having worked with the C100 and the Sony FS7 and a6300 I would say slog2 and 3 have a bit more DR to play with than clog. In 8 bit though, clog is much nicer to work with

ok thanks good to know, similar to the C100 then, I wonder if that's a limitation of the 8 bit internal

to be honest I thought slog2 held onto highlights better than clog on the C100 did. But the 8 bit was a problem with slog2 on the a6300 sometimes causing strange artefacts and banding, whereas 8 bit on clog seemed to work better.

10 bit slog2 and slog3 from the FS7 had way more highlight retention than the C100 in clog though

So you don't understand how DR is measured but came onto a thread about using manual focus to tell us all that Panasonic is deceiving us.

OK, as you were....

Ha yes have had to accept glasses as part of my life now, makes going between viewfinder and screen a little trickier.

I also now have XT3, will try your method and see if I can get used to it, can see AF being useful for tracking when only one person is in the scene

11 hours ago, thephoenix said:

Isn't there a pad to select where to focus ?

There is but it felt like a very clumsy way to choose where to focus, maybe I need to keep at it but it didn't feel very intuitive - I do enjoy focusing manually, feel like I'm more in the scene.

I realise tapping the screen is a better way to choose focus but I prefer to use viewfinder and my eyes struggle with a screen up close - that's what happens when you reach 50