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Thanks for this article. I did not know about this policy.

Do I understand this right: someone could cause you serious harm simply by claiming copyright violation on three of your videos? No "in dubio pro reo", no nothing? 

For me too this is a reason to consider alternatives. But are there any with comparable features?

Let us know if you've found a convincing alternative.  

  

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An online portfolio is important for a filmmaker or artist or anyone in fact and it should be guaranteed safe, as safe as the files on your hard drive. Vimeo can't guarantee that.

They could just remove the DMCA videos, but no - they had to go an extra draconian unnecessary step to satisfy whatever lawyer shit they found themselves in - and delete all the legal videos of that user as well.

It's the worst policy... In the history of the internet

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Maybe that's indeed, like other commentators suggested, a sign for serious legal problems at Vimeo?

But what other trustworthy hosting sites are there except of Youtube? Sites that are not in danger of being shut down unexpectedly due to lack of traffic/revenue.

Remember Vuala, that cloud storage by LaCie? A few years ago you could get some free GBs on Vuala when buying a USB stick by Lacie. It was limited to a year so I even paid to continue using it only to be informed weeks later the service will shut down...  

Vimeo is live for 14 years now, that's almost an eternity on the internet. Is there anything else even remotely as established as Vimeo/Youtube?   

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47 minutes ago, Michi said:

Vimeo is live for 14 years now, that's almost an eternity on the internet. Is there anything else even remotely as established as Vimeo/Youtube?   

Dailymotion. Been there for 13 years but It's just a French equivalent of youtube.

https://www.dailymotion.com/us

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dailymotion

After that we have Pornhub!

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8 hours ago, OliKMIA said:

Dailymotion. Been there for 13 years but It's just a French equivalent of youtube.

https://www.dailymotion.com/us

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dailymotion

After that we have Pornhub!

Would be brilliant to share seriously cinematic footage on pornhub. Wonder if they have a "only porn" sharing policy?

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15 hours ago, nigelbb said:

How dare Vimeo put restrictions on freeloaders!

Well a lot of us are just hobbyists/students who want to share projects, 10GB in 2018 (or 500mb max upload) is not that much. If you are doing this professionally sure you can put these costs in your booking accounts and its not a big deal, but for hobbyists and students its enough to look for alternatives.

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11 hours ago, Michi said:

Thanks for this article. I did not know about this policy.

Do I understand this right: someone could cause you serious harm simply by claiming copyright violation on three of your videos? No "in dubio pro reo", no nothing? 

For me too this is a reason to consider alternatives. But are there any with comparable features?

Let us know if you've found a convincing alternative.  

  

According to that screenshot Andrew posted there is a resolution process. You get banned if there are three unresolved strikes. They tell you when you get two, so at that point you need to do something about it I would guess.

 

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But what does „unresolved strike“ mean? If anybody can just claim copyright-violations on three of your videos without any further proof does that strike count as unresolved (when that person does not back down)?

If so, Vimeo-users would be completely unprotected from fraud, blackmail, personal attacks...

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14 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Let's be clear, if you use popular music for commercially paid work like wedding videos, that's another matter. You shouldn't do it. You got paid, and you owe the artist a percentage.

If you're just sharing non-commercial experiments and artistic cinematography with friends, then that is different, ethically at least.

 

 

I agree. I wouldn't be surprised or mad if I got some strikes in my account...  Fair enough

 

16 hours ago, Lars Steenhoff said:

It's free and takes about a week if you choose the free option.  

Otherwise you can do a small payment and you don't need to wait https://signup.steemit.com

I tried creating a free account. Got to the part where I had to enter an SMS code, but I can't receive the SMS code. Tried twice. Will give it another chance later.
Thanks
 

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Hey guys - just a few things:

To clarify, I am not affiliated with any company or product mentioned (as should be painfully obvious), but I also recently got my second strike (and the worst part is, my first strike was because I used incompetech music, and Kevin McCloud himself emailed Vimeo to explain that I had fully complied with the terms of using his music, and that the claim had not come from him, the sole owner and writer of his music - but they left the strike on my account, because f me apparently)

But to get my video's off, I have been using an automatic video downloader, called "4kvideo downloader", it costs a small amount, is free from any malware that my antivirus (bitdefender) can find, and though it looks sketchy as anything, is in fact working for me. I can leave it overnight and it will plough through my entire account, maximising my efficiency at downloading them.

I've also been hearing a lot about floatplane as a youtube/vimeo alternative, and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them - I think they are new, but right now it seems to be pay to access, which obviously would be a problem. I tried steemit, and it just screams "scam" to me - and I can tell you now, the "money earned" under every video is grossly inaccurate, 100 times out and I cannot for the life of me find a way to work out how it is generated.

 

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1 hour ago, SleepyWill said:

Hey guys - just a few things:

To clarify, I am not affiliated with any company or product mentioned (as should be painfully obvious), but I also recently got my second strike (and the worst part is, my first strike was because I used incompetech music, and Kevin McCloud himself emailed Vimeo to explain that I had fully complied with the terms of using his music, and that the claim had not come from him, the sole owner and writer of his music - but they left the strike on my account, because f me apparently)

But to get my video's off, I have been using an automatic video downloader, called "4kvideo downloader", it costs a small amount, is free from any malware that my antivirus (bitdefender) can find, and though it looks sketchy as anything, is in fact working for me. I can leave it overnight and it will plough through my entire account, maximising my efficiency at downloading them.

I've also been hearing a lot about floatplane as a youtube/vimeo alternative, and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them - I think they are new, but right now it seems to be pay to access, which obviously would be a problem. I tried steemit, and it just screams "scam" to me - and I can tell you now, the "money earned" under every video is grossly inaccurate, 100 times out and I cannot for the life of me find a way to work out how it is generated.

 

+1 for 4K video downloader.  Its the one with the green circle and a white cloud in it.

I've been using it for years to download videos so that I could watch them without getting constant interruptions (despite lightening fast internet).  I don't think you have to pay?  Although I think the free version has some restrictions like playlists can't be longer than a certain size, but you can copy/paste each video URL in there and DL them that way.

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A good few years ago when wedding and videographers were trying to stay within the law when selling DVDs that had copyrighted music in them, the PRS came up with a very pragmatic solution called a Limited Manufacture license.

The LM license lets you license the use any piece of recorded music with a sliding scale of costs depending on how many physical copies that you are going to sell, so if you are doing a wedding video that will only have 3 copies produced then it will be about £7 to cover the license and if you are doing a school play that you sell 100 copies of it will be about £40 etc

Basically, by recognising that not everyone is making a feature film but still wants to be able to use some music, they have made a system that is simple enough, appropriate enough and cost effective enough that people will choose to use it and stay legal. It also means, of course, that the artists still get paid something rather than the nothing they would receive otherwise.

One interesting part of the license is the 'Amateur Societies' clause which also grants the license for the following :

Recordings made for playing and showing only as part of the practicing, participating and competing in recognised amateur society activities, including: musical gymnastics, horse dressage, synchronized swimming, amateur dramatics and amateur film making.

Obviously, this means that if you made a film that you would normally put on Vimeo but instead made a DVD of it that you showed as part of a film making club then you would be covered.

Where this LM license scheme needs to catch up is in making a version of it that recognises that places such as Vimeo are the modern de facto version of an amateur film making society. 

Or at least they could be.

If Vimeo had a specific walled off section that was designated as an amateur film making society only (with no links, no product reviews, no ads etc) then I do think there is something there that could be negotiated.

And if not Vimeo, a new dedicated Amateur Film Making Society site could be a way forward.

https://www.prsformusic.com/licences/releasing-music-products/limited-manufacture

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