dslnc Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 On 11/1/2018 at 9:33 PM, Andrew Reid said: Problem is Vimeo have us by the balls and they know it. A far call from their earlier years, now they have an aggressive new CEO who wants to purge a bunch of users they 'accuse' of copyright infringement, to clear the company of any risk or legality issues in the prelude to being fattened up and sold to an even larger corporation than the one that already owns them. It stinks. I have never held in such low esteem a company that I depend on for so much. We should start our own Vimeo. And keep big business away from the running of it. On 11/1/2018 at 9:52 PM, Mokara said: Simple solution to the problem is to stop stealing other people's stuff. If you are a content creator, then create your own content. Just using other peoples creations without permission is not OK, doubly so if you are outraged when others do the same to you. I seem to recall a thread here a while back bemoaning the fact that third parties were doing just that, making it hard for independent film makers to monetize their creations. How is this any different? Just because the shoe is on the other foot does not make any less of a shoe. Andrew is spot on with his perspectives - If it would just be 'pirates' using vimeo then 99,99% would understand and not complain about the new policy- But I find it sad that Vimeo has given up the benefit of the doubt of its long term users and letting the vultures skinning their corpse. I.e. lets say you are an agent representing directors. And you i.e have been using vimeo pro since launch. One day you sign up a new director that also makes music videos for artists signed with 'the big 4' labels. He gives you a few music videos for his reel and you upload them to your vimeo account and embed them on to your webpage. All good. Suddenly you receive an email from vimeo's legal team about a takedown notice of exactly those music videos. Strike One! Ifpi London that represents the right holders wants the videos down unless you can prove you have a explicit permission to add them to your vimeo account. But unfortunately that email ends up in your spam folder so you have no idea. In the mean time the director changes agent you take his reel offline and you sign up new directors. Later some also with music videos...Strike2...Strike3... One morning a client calls you complaining why the links you send doesn't seem to work. Entering on your website all video links are dead. Your account on vimeo suddenly isn't there. You try contacting vimeo. You are desperate. No phone numbers. nothing. just a webpage where you can fill out a form. Vimeo comes back to you noting that they tried contacting you but are unable to do anything to help you other than giving you 1 week to download your hundreds of videos and giving you the contact info to the right holders if you wants to try get your strike count down to '2' in order to restore your account. Your years of trust towards a technical partner suddenly goes haywire. Sure. Very unfortunate not to have seen the strike emails. But disconnecting your business because of a technicality. 3 to be exact. It seems like a vey dystopic future. Especially since your aren't new on vimeo. The years spend trusting (and paying) vimeo. Actually representing 50+ filmmakers that are part of Vimeo's the core demographic using vimeo for showing their work to agents worldwide. Spending xxxxx€ integrating vimeo even closer with your publishing tools etc. All worth nothing when somebody is knocking on the dmca door. Then your have to prove your innocence. With the right to get disconnected. Later you spend months with letters, emails, phonecalls to get the right holders to understand that you represented or represents the guy or girl they hired to make the music video in question. But for some reason one director wasn't credited internally as director on one clip although he developed it and produced it because he send an AD abroad for a few takes... Well. Obviously it is not a made-up story. But the reality of a friend on mine. I think his situation could have been less dire if he would have seen one of the strike emails. But the very limited help and understanding from vimeo is quite surprising ( they actually mentioned that it happens to quite a few not receiving the notifications ) I find it quite distasteful that they doest at least offer a phone number to speak with a special dmca help line to give guidance. After all deactivating an account could easily mean hurting others businesses. People get shocked and stressed. No doubt that music rights is a hotter theme than ever especially since the big record companies have regained their power and are getting comfortable in the digital world. But the world still isn't binary (yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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