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9 hours ago, Matthew Campbell said:

Threw together a quick video about the 8Sinn FULL CAGE First Impressions. 

I don't normally do these types of videos, it was shot on my Pixel 2. Used a LAV. Pretty basic.
https://youtu.be/eNFf2B4tCnY

 

Did you buy it from their website? I ordered  a week ago, payment went through right away and it said 4-5 day shipping. But looking today on order info it still says “processing” for me. How long did it take you to get it?

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1 hour ago, Turboguard said:

At the time I was asked to do photography for work I had already sold off my canon and I had already been working with stills from the DNG’s on personal projects so thought, what the hell, let’s try it. The client loved the images and decided to continue with me so I saw no reason investing in a stills camera. This was a couple of years ago, still getting photo jobs. And now going from 1.9Mb DNG to almost 13Mb is just less post adjustments for me. Win/Win! I’ve done product shots with the bmpcc too.

Cool, well if they were happy with it, theres nothing anyone can say against it.  The only thing the Pocket4k doesn't have compared to stills cameras is mechanical shutter and flash.  In raw mode its more acurate to call it a 60fps electronic shutter stills camera with no buffer limitation than than it is a video camera.

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2 hours ago, Turboguard said:

Did you buy it from their website? I ordered  a week ago, payment went through right away and it said 4-5 day shipping. But looking today on order info it still says “processing” for me. How long did it take you to get it?

I had a similar experience (albeit ordered soon after it was announced). I emailed them to ask for an approximate shipping date and it was dispatched immediately.

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46 minutes ago, Snowfun said:

I had a similar experience (albeit ordered soon after it was announced). I emailed them to ask for an approximate shipping date and it was dispatched immediately.

Alright, I did send them a message on FB. Will try the email route as well, thanks!

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JSFILMZ on YouTube has uploaded some nice sample footage as either RAW or ProRes, as well as some comparisons to the GH5s which might be interesting.
The footage looks amazing after grading.

Used a BM Pocket 4K film to Rec709 conversion via CST in Resolve at the very end.

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Download of the graded video:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SAkBhaRRXnWpKY6_b-lKRns9g13ICEMZ

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Discounts on Smallrig cages:

https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-cage-for-blackmagic-design-pocket-cinema-camera-4k-2203.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw3qDeBRBkEiwAsqeO7lM4e2S4JqSYHeblhG5haph-_cbaIi_QtDrnfTE9K04kJn09neqBBhoCUnUQAvD_BwE 

$155 for Cage, handle, T5 holder and HDMI/USB-C clamps. Seems pretty good to me - If only I had a camera to put it on.

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22 hours ago, mercer said:

Did BM change BMD Film, it doesn’t look as flat out the gate. 

Yes.

It's the next generation color science - Gen 4.

The "negative" coming out of the new camera in Film log is a lot easier to grade than from older cameras.

I dial in the EV LUT at 30% or so after basic color balance and it looks great.

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22 hours ago, mercer said:

Did BM change BMD Film, it doesn’t look as flat out the gate. 

There are two parts to BMD Film, the log curve (gamma) and the "colour space" (gamut). The log curve is always optimized for the sensors dynamic range so the curve you get for cameras with different sensors will vary. Some will have more contrast than others. The gamut in previous versions would vary across cameras as well but with Gen 4 it is the same for any of our cameras using it and like Gen 3 it is more saturated to make it faster/easier to grade.

10 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

I read that as you telling us this info - but I guess it was just copy/paste the description from the original uploader. Either way, nice video whoever made it 😄

Note shot it. :)

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On 10/13/2018 at 8:00 AM, MattH said:

It's probably because a lot of people already have a GH5 so the question is do you get a Pocket 4k instead.  If the difference isn't anything that cant be overcome then the answer for most of these people will be no. (This probably also goes if you already have a GH5s but because its newer, far fewer people will be in this position) 

If you are choosing a new camera from scratch then the Blackmagic starts to make more sense.  But In this second case if things like a flipy screen and viewfinder appeal to you, it's likely that ibis will apeal to you also.   ibis is the GH5's trump card over the pocket 4k.  Get rid of that, like with the GH5s and it struggles to come out on top.


Yes lots of and lots of people own a GH5, but even more people don't own a GH5. Thus the comparison between the GH5 and BMPCC4K gets interesting. 

 

On 10/13/2018 at 10:21 AM, grex said:

I also thought with the invention of focal reducers, having the full frame look was achievable on a M43 camera? Are you against this?

 

FF? S35 is where it is at! And the MARS ("Multi Aspect Ratio Sensor") of the GH5S / BMPCC4K helps squeeze out a bit wider FoV. Which combined with a focal reducer gives you even wider than S35

 

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11 hours ago, Turboguard said:

Did you buy it from their website? I ordered  a week ago, payment went through right away and it said 4-5 day shipping. But looking today on order info it still says “processing” for me. How long did it take you to get it?

I did yes. For the most part I've been getting stuff from under a week from them. Ordered my SSD holder last Friday, should be here tomorrow or the next day.

I just put in an order for their BMPCC4K Metabones Support (which I was actually talking about in the video but messed up by making it sound like I was talking about the adapter itself), as the 8Sinn Universal Metabones Support doesn't work on this cage. Should be here next week I think.

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Some RAW 3:1 .dng files from my test shooting yesterday. Fairly run and gun, didn't realize I was shooting in 60p, woops. Video is quite where I want it, but thought y'all might want to mess with some new pics. 

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On 10/14/2018 at 7:56 AM, Jonesy Jones said:

We do need more testing though, on the P4K. I can't wait until you get a P4K in your hands, especially one with .braw.

Also, according to a certain DP who has been on this forum but not so much lately, Alexa ProRes is purely budgetary. When you have 3-6 cams shooting RAW, the storage difference compared to prores is not negligible. We're they similar (or less like .braw will be) date rates, you can bet they'd shoot RAW.


But it is not just the storage requirements. It is also the workflow. Every post house on the planet is set up to churn through ProRes footage with ease in a blink of an eye. But raw? Not so much. 

On 10/15/2018 at 2:06 PM, A_Urquhart said:

Aaaand on this note, it would seem that Blackmagic's biggest mistake is making a cinema style camera that everyone can afford but not everyone would know what to do with.

It's like handing an Alexa Mini to a teenager  who's only interest is in taking photos of themselves in the mirror for instagram. They are going to wonder why the camera doesn't focus for them, or have built in tacky picture styles etc. Blackmagic have stuffed up the release of this camera, by making it so affordable and available to everyone it would seem.

Nailed it. 
This seems to be a far too common problem with manufacturers who try to offer more at a low price point. 
I seem the same over in the Kinefinity forums, with many users ripping into Kinefinity over minor points. And I'm just thinking "hang on guys, but RED does it just the same, or even RED has got it even worse. But you're giving Kinefinity flack over some quibble??"
 

On 10/15/2018 at 2:34 PM, A_Urquhart said:

I originally came here to discuss the camera I had pre-ordered as I saw John Brawley was active on here. Then, when I received the camera, I came here to share information as well as find things out from others.


Sadly it seems like JB might be gone for good now 😞  A loss to this otherwise excellent forum. 

 

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On 10/15/2018 at 2:59 PM, A_Urquhart said:

It's like me getting on the Sony A7III thread and ranting and raving about the fact that it doesn't do RAW or 10bit. Just sillyness!

I'm trying to give people some perspective but people just want to bang on about why it doesn't have feature A or B that a mirrorless camera does have.

This. 

It gets a bit tiresome if people go on over and over banging on about a missing feature that which is obviously / widely known as not being there. 

Is like complaining about a Jaguar sports car not being a six seater electric car. Well d'oh, everyone knows it is not one. 

 

On 10/15/2018 at 4:12 PM, jonpais said:

Actually, not only is Blackmagic giving away DaVinci Resolve for free, but they’re also throwing in the Video Assist - so the Pocket is really only $500. 😊


haha, imagine if only the BMPCC4K had an input! So you could use the BMPCC4K as a monitor/recorder too (with loop through as well! ha). 

On 10/15/2018 at 8:23 PM, Shirozina said:

I am upset there is no pop up flash. For a camera that has stills capability this is a bad decision for a camera at this price point and will put off many buyers. They have not included an EVF to make it more familiar to people who transition from a mobile phone but why then do they not make it go in a pocket like a mobile phone but then lie to everyone and say it's a pocket camera? It's easy for them to give away software as it doesn't cost anything to make and doesn't add any weight to the camera but why do I need software to use this camera when other cameras work fine without it? Also there is no lens with the camera so that is an extra item you will have to buy and I don't see this mentioned in any of the videos. If BM don't make lenses then they shouldn't be selling cameras to people as this is like selling a car to someone without wheels. It seems BM do not care about customers who haven't got a clue.


Boom! Exactly what I was talking about 😉

Well done. Well played.

On 10/15/2018 at 9:24 PM, Shirozina said:

BM are a fascist organisation -  Black Magic / Black Shirt!  Also I never wanted this camera but with their stupid low prices they made me an offer I couldn't refuse so not only Fascist but Mafia mentality. Free software and battery are a bad joke. I need free trousers with extra large pocket for this so-called 'pocket' camera to work for me.

LOL!

I might need free trousers too after reading this thread....

 

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27 minutes ago, IronFilm said:



It gets a bit tiresome if people go on over and over banging on about a missing feature that which is obviously / widely known as not being there. 

Is like complaining about a Jaguar sports car not being a six seater electric car. Well d'oh, everyone knows it is not one. 

 

 

It seems a few of you miss the point.  Don't read or... Don't understand. Don't want understand. Whatever. Only God knows! Who mentions features when they forgot to invite Mr. Reid? You see fair criticism in a wrong way.

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On 10/15/2018 at 10:24 PM, Turboguard said:

Okay guys, PANASONIC DROPPED THE FUCKING BOMB. I ordered Lumix LX100-2 on announcement, was said to receive it OCT 1st!!! Then that changed to Oct 16th, which is tomorrow, and STILL no shipping, I looked at BH now and it says exp delivery Oct 25th?!? WTF Panasonic?! I will never trust a company that lies so much to its customers! I’m not canceling my preorder cause it was a gift to my partner, but listen PANA, you lost a customer in me! Panasonic = Evil corporation mentality, I’m nothing but a slave consumer to them.

 

edit: this is a Panasonic thread no?

Thank goodness RED has never done that to us!

edit: this is a RED thread no?
 

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26 minutes ago, shooter said:

 

No, where are you now? Australia? The neighbor New Zealand? Okay....

Guilty as charged. Clearly I'm an undercover BMD operative. 

 

On 10/15/2018 at 4:43 PM, TurboRat said:

Hi guys,  how much do you think will it take to outfit a P4K including SSD and batteries? Will P4K + SSD + additional batteries exceed $2000+?

No. 

But once  you add on cage / lenses / etc.....  the sky is the limit! (actually, no it is not, the moon is! actually, no it is not, Pluto is! actually, no it is not, the alpha centauri is! actually, not is is not.... )

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