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wow this is interesting ive been thinking about film a lot lately. the other day i ran across a box of ektachrome slides i shot years ago, and i gotta say i was shocked at how good the images looked. i havent seen anything quite like that in a long time. it was an eye opening experience

so im a huge x files fan, but i think the new season looks like shit

what troubles me is that the creative team is full of key people from the past...

although technology does play a role, i think the bigger issue at play here is simply bad taste

on the other hand, if the new season was shot on negative film, would it look very different after post? im gonna say yes. what do you guys think?

after looking at these next to each other i have to say that the juxtaposition of these two images is a perfect metaphor for how i feel about contemporary cinematography in general

woww thank u ebrahim!!!

30 minutes ago, Ebrahim Saadawi said:

''The externally recorded HDMI HD over-sampled signal in 4K mode is virtually unparalleled by any camera I've seen, visually striking.'' 

 is this referring to the 1080p image via external recording, is that right?

2 hours ago, AaronChicago said:

I've thought about this too, but...even if people's monitors are uncalibrated it's all relative to the original color. They're used to seeing quality films/series/music videos in a certain "shift". When you calibrate your color correctly they'll associate the "look" as being correct. Just my theory.

oh absolutely. im just saying that a lot of us (me) would love to have an obsessive level of control over *exactly* what people are seeing online – like what is possible in a theatrical environment – and thats not going to happen any time soon if ever. in that sense if youre just releasing online, creating a happy medium across devices is the best one can do. calibration is super important so you know empirically as much as possible what youre working with, but beyond that if your footage looks too blue on apple devices thats something to consider in your final grade, if that matters to you. to be fair tho, what do i know? 

*i just really wanted to use that cookie emoji i love cookies

3 minutes ago, jase said:

But do those devices also ensure that you calibrate towards a certain standard so that your (my) typical audience, that watches my stuff on vimeo, smartphones, etc... see the same i do?

lol i wish. im afraid that no matter what you post on vimeo, youtube, or your own website, people are going to have different experiences on different devices both due to the devices themselves and the settings theyre on

wow this is such a nice civilized thread with tons of relevant information and differing opinions that havent resulted in fighting

12 hours ago, Critter said:

Hello Everyone, 

hi critter!!!!

12 hours ago, Critter said:

I've read these forums for a long time and learnt a whole lot.

me too

12 hours ago, Critter said:

The images on this job will be heavily processed / messed with, so good colour is not a priority, but for other future projects of course it would be. 

well thats key. i think at the end of the day youre going to like the color more in the future from the 1dc, but at the moment the a7sii is definitely the better fit for you, especially since youre already pretty happy with using an a7s, minus the weirdness of its slog2. color is definitely better on the a7sii in that regard

12 hours ago, Critter said:

I bought a GH4 a year ago based on online buzz (was living somewhere remote, couldn't try it out) and found it's low light abilities...very disappointing. 

i cant speak much to the lowlight on the 1dc, besides all things being equal its very good, but clearly the a7sii is your single best option here~! 

12 hours ago, Critter said:

My question, for people with experience of both cameras is -

IF you had to choose between an A7s II and a 1DC, and you had to choose tomorrow, which would you go for?

if i were YOU, a7sii all the way

12 hours ago, Critter said:

Does anyone feel that a 5d mk4 with 4k, C-LOG and Dual Pixel AF in March is a strong possibility? 

haaaa ? i wish~! im agnostic about a 5d3 update ever happening. will it be higher mp?? lower?? low light?? ? 4k??? video??? two different bodies???? different form factor???? all of the above? idk smh

honestly id be thrilled with an amazing 2k image thats thick and deeply gradable*

dpaf is sicc tho

anyway good luck on your trip and welcome to california!!!!

*and a flippy screen

what do you guys think about this

yes it has a touchscreen~! a camera with a touchscreen... what a time to be alive

hear hear!

oh me too. the whole is more than the sum of its parts

100% tru lol

young people 18-22 will not come out to vote for hillary in record numbers, but they would for bernie sanders. no comparison

and no one likes hillary. she doesnt even like herself

that makes bernie a better candidate for beating the republican nominee

if that nominee is trump he will win regardless. ill bet you guys a dollar

mjpeg.... in 2016?!????

...REALLY????

like..... WHAT???!

i seriously thought that the 1dc would be the first and last canon body to shoot 4k mjpeg wth

this is an interesting thread

i think theres a point to be made about the dichotomy between "suffering" for ones art... and just suffering lol

some say that suffering, in a word, informs your work and makes you more interesting as an artist, a storyteller, as a person. whether youve battled a deadly illness, transcended a life of crime and wretched drug addiction, or risen above abject poverty that you were born into, that story is interesting to people, and moreover gives you life experience which informs your work regardless of its literal subject matter

so...thats a benefit. a benefit of going through tremendous pain, perhaps the only tangible one that i can think of: through this suffering comes wisdom; a point of view you can share through your work. but this suffering doesnt have anything to do with practicing art per se

the other side of this discussion is "suffering" that comes literally from your art practice itself

the number of hours you work. under extreme stress. extreme pressure. many of us are familiar with it. hell, its a thing here in LA that PEOPLE LITERALLY DIE IN CAR ACCIDENTS ON THEIR WAY HOME FROM LACK OF SLEEP. THATS A THING NOW.

how does that inform your work? living that lifestyle? i dont really think it does. dont get me wrong, *I* am that person who respects your work ethic, your fighting spirit, who knows how underpaid and overworked the majority of us are. but putting your physical and mental health at risk, so youre under constant strain, impairs us creatively in the worst way, and may take actual years off of our lives. stress kills

hollywood will work us to death without concern and rape our dead bodies – from PAs to gaffers to vfx artists, we all know this. and theres this underlying unasked question, this rhetorical, "Well, if you want a normal job...[just get the fuck out of here then]" that is in my experience an ingrained part of every niche in the entertainment business. and although there are reasons for that, and a history behind it, if we dont stand up for ourselves we fall into the category of people dying on their way home in an accident caused by nothing more than fatigue. that is insane

on a personal note i just got over the flu – ive never been so sick in my adult life – and as soon as i started feeling better after a week of not eating or sleeping properly, running a fever, the MINUTE that i woke up with some appetite i IMMEDIATELY decided that im quitting my job. ITS BEEN MAKING ME SICK. I HAVE BEEN ILL FROM STRESS rendering my creative mind INCAPABLE OF FUNCTIONING. its a little ironic that it took a trip to urgent care for me to put immediate change into action. if only solving these problems was as easy as taking five days of antibiotics

the "ignore user" feature on this board is really great

the walking dead is shot on 16mm film for a reason and do you know what i think that show needs...?

less resolution.

how bad ASS would that show be on 8mm??

way more distortion to hide their mediocre practical effects

thats the reality of a production that im sure youd hardly call unprofessional

~FURTHERMORE, id like to thank everyone from mattias burling to quentin tarantino for keeping film ALIVE~!

the dancing grain of film has a life of its own, but without our enthusiasm it will certainly go the way of the dinosaurs, until its resurrected in some sort of postmodern mess one day in the future; its original nature lost forever

our culture has a short memory

nevermind the haters: youre doing a great service, film advocates

your kids will thank you

thats great andrew!! could you post a couple screengrabs?

haaa this is too funny~!  we're all on craigslist shopping for used 5d2s right now 

im totally gonna find a cheap one, Dane and i dont care about shutter actuations or a few scratches  $480 as a point of entry for that raw full frame image is p awesome... nice work man!

also, Dane: always interested in 5d3 vs 5d2 raw comparisons!!!!!!

Sometimes we can concentrate on the camera 100%, really work it like an artist's paintbrush.

id be interested in knowing who on this website uses a paintbrush on a regular basis (besides me)

i can only dream of a camera thats as easy to use as a paintbrush. when im using a paintbrush, no matter what im painting, no matter how im painting, its like an extension of my hand. doesnt matter if its an expensive fancy brush made of exotic animal hair that i take very good care of, or a disposable housepainting brush from home depot that cost $1.50

oh and fun fact: if youve never painted, or if youve tried sometime in the past and it didnt work out, if youve found it intimidating, you should give it another try~! painting is easy and everyone can do it. im sure i would think your work is fantastic

and the easiest painting is oil painting – you can just endlessly smoosh color around, and fix your mistakes... its like the opposite of watercolor~! ironically only artists know that lol

but i digress

i couldnt agree with you more on all this. "PAIN IN THE ASS" is the exact right way to put it

as if producing stuff in reality isnt ENOUGH of a pain in the ass...

if theres one thing ive learned from producing shoots and shows of all different kinds its this: SHIT WILL GO WRONG, PLAN ON IT, EXPECT IT, AND EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED.

for a camera system that costs thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars to fall into the category of problematic and frustrating, to ADD to the inherent stress of my production....

well, i hate to say it, but ive gotten USED TO THAT. IVE GOTTEN USED TO THAT IDEA.

my question these days is, not is the camera system we're using a pain in the ass, but how much of a pain in the ass is it?

and that, my friends, is absolutely absurd

NICE~! color is looking p darn good from that a7rii... great work Nate!

v interesting info thanks for posting

thats great to hear!? as a mac user im super confused by this tho... is this with FCPX? is that what youd credit this performance to...? 

thanks to the users including yourself that have been praising the current incarnation of fcpx; i downloaded it and im gonna give it a try

mattias thanks for sharing this its awesome. it looks like you have a beautiful life

also, this is very pretty

ok ive gotta ask, whats the white stuff in the bowl at 1:43... looks delicious lol

congratulations on your purchase andrew  looking forward to hearing more about it!!

...i think this is a fun discussion~!

cuz ykno, if we ALL agreed on this stuff 100% and we ALLLL shot with the SAME CAMERA...... well, how boring would that be~?!

cheers guys~!!