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thanks a lot for posting this shawn
i downloaded your clip –– an astounding amount of true detail and rich color
pulled the frame grab into photoshop to add a bit of magenta and yellow in the color balance..... wow at those canon skintones i gotta say. if i can ever get slog2 to do this ima start a blog lol
the subtle modulation in the faces of the five children closest to the camera definitely reminds me of canon raw.... amazing
the colour just feels right on an intuitive level - almost as if I'm looking through the optical viewfinder and not a recording on a screen
- Shield3 and Zak Forsman
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I don't see a separate control for saturation in highlights. Only normal HSL controls, and 3 way color wheels.
yeah thats it. lumetri is a GREAT addition to premiere but it needs more options imo, like what youve mentioned and selective color and so on
speaking of which idk how into photoshop you are but if its something youre p familiar with making a quick lut w adjustment layers and bringing that into lumetri might help? works for me
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damn zach that sucks
sorry to hear that the lil guy has been so problematic~! thanks for sharing tha info tho
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Looks great aside from issues already mentioned. Practically speaking, I'd be afraid of shooting with it though - it seems really hard to keep stuff in focus. Would have to be VERY well planned shots, unless you go for some aesthetic where the subjects come in and out of focus a lot.
right?
so i finally saw The Master last night and that happens... a lot lol
have you guys seen this? v interesting photographically speaking
great work rich
love the forbes 70 project!!!! wishing you all the best
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theres a lot of great points in this thread
for me in 2015 the defining characteristic of the subjective feeling "it looks like video" is frame rate
high frame rate slog2 makes me feel a little ill when i pop open clips on my mac from the finder... but when that exact same footage is conformed to 24p it becomes magical
although i am not a high frame rate enthusiast as many are, i appreciate its use for certain applications, including those outside of what we would consider cinema, but within the world of narrative filmmaking id put it in the toolbox along with higher shutter angles – a useful creative technique, but only when used on the right occasions
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Messing with the A7R II - good, but I would wait if you can till the A7S II - rolling shutter issues. Also save some cash.
Here's my receipe that I'm liking:
COLOR MATRIX - Pro, not s gamut - reds feel more red
COLOR GAMMA - CINE4, not slog - cleaner highlights. Slog2 looks weird with an 8 bit codec how it gets noisy in highlights
Black Level: 0
Black Gamma > Range: Middle , Level: -3
Knee > Mode: Auto , Auto Set > Max Point: 95 , Sensitivity: Mid
Colore Mode: Pro
Saturation: +8
Color Phase -2
Color Depth > R+1, G-1, B+2,, C-2, M-1, Y-3
Detail > Level, -5 Adjust > Mode; Manual, V/H Balance: -2, B/W Balance Type3, Limit: 0, Crispening:0, hi_light Detail: 0White balance > Manual > Grid setting B 1 (one to the left)
You don't have to follow it perfectly, but overall it can get to some stunning results.And the secret to any log recording is post. Use film convert. filmconvert.com. Or impulz luts. Select slog 2 - modify it - less contrast - less of a curve since it's less flat as s log 2
I used Film Convert Arri Alexa Log C profile for grading. FilmConvert setting is Arri Alexa as the camera. logC. film stock is Fuji Film 8543 Vivid. color 93. curve 100. size 35mm full frame. grain 0. But just mess around - find what you like.
Have fun!
And everyone post your own. Together we can help each other improve. That's what it's all about - using the Hive to get better. Get knowledge, give knowledge.
hi Ed!!! thank u for sharing this. i am new to shooting slog2 and your posts have been v helpful to me
what you pointed out about cine 4 vs slog is v interesting. i just got an rx10m2 and i havent noticed noisy highlight areas with my slog2 settings but ill have to check that out... in your experience, does this vary with exposure? ive been exposing for my highlights, basically setting the clipping point in camera just where i want it to be; but this is only the beginning of my testing
anyway, not being limited to the slog native iso of 800 on my lil cam would def be handy so im gonna try some cine 4 stuff~!!! thank u!!
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I guess this is slightly off topic, but how's battery life with this for stills and for video?
battery life update: ive had the chance to fully wear out the sony battery twice now, shooting 100mbs 4k 24p with the screen on almost all the time: camera shut off in about an hour and a half
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Lackey Moths? Known as tent caterpillars where I grew up in Michigan. I remember one year as a kid they were friggin' everywhere. Step on 'em and yellow guts squish out. Ah, I'm channeling my inner 8 year old.
sounds like an x file
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I'd just try something with a decent review track like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0049WBZEK?redirect=true&ref_=s9_simh_gw_p421_d10_i2
I've tried two different cheapo versions and haven't had any issues, yet. They're supposed to not hold their charge as long as the premium ones, but I can live with that.
dude youre the greatest!! TWO batteries and a charger for $27?!???? if i get two of those ill have five altogether thats soooo perfect thank uuu
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A general warning RE: over exposing log.
Yes It reduces noise as you can effectively push the floor down in post (perhaps beside the point but this is how Dolby noise reduction worked in way in audio with pre-emphasis) BUT you lose over exposure latitude and usually more importantly, the skin tones are pushed further up the log curve and can end up with les data allocated to them than if you just shot 709.
i wouldn't personally bother with 3 stops over TBH. Though you may find a use for one and two. Best generally is to expose properly and just de noise, I find.
smooth highlight roll off is one of the joys of log. I wouldn't want to lose it over a bit of noise...
wow thank you for your wise perspective. your dolby analogy is v interesting
tbh denoising as part of that workflow isnt something ive heard too much about.... ill definitely do some research on the denoising part and give it a try~!
also, same, the highlight handling of slog2 is totally bringing me joy lol. takes me back to shooting film. i love it. but i guess i could be doing a lot better??? thanks for the heads up!!!!
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I guess this is slightly off topic, but how's battery life with this for stills and for video?
hi vaga id like to hear what ppl think about this too
in my experience its not great but alright, but mind you ive barely shot any stills and ive just been using the 100mbs 4k and 120fps options with the screen on almost all the time doing some casual test shooting. i havent had a chance to completely wear out the sony battery cuz i dont have any backups yet but ill get back atcha when i do
speaking of extra batteries.... do you guys have any suggestions for the "transcend u3 card" of 3rd party batteries on amazon? lol i need that delightful dichotomy of reliability and frugality
P.S. cant believe i spelled dichotomy right on the first try
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Well that took a bloody long time! But I've just this minute completed my new reel and site. It's not "announced" until Monday.... social media campaigns etc blah blah. But it's live! Check them here:
View my new showreel and website!
Some info
- Each and every image - I shot, lit, edited, graded. A little directing. Very involved in creative ideas.
- Core crew was mostly 4-5 regular people in these productions (Director, DOP, Production Manager, Spark, Make Up Artist).
- For the geeks - cameras used are Sony F55, FS7, FS700, RED Epic, GH3, BM Pocket.
- All images are music videos, but going for commercial/corporate work aggressively into the next year. (and still many music videos).
- The aim is to have 100% new material for Showreel 2016. Max creativity required.
Anyway, if you like it or don't like it, whatever. Just thought I'd share.
this looks OFFICIAL. ba
- Each and every image - I shot, lit, edited, graded. A little directing. Very involved in creative ideas.
sicc. did work
- Core crew was mostly 4-5 regular people in these productions (Director, DOP, Production Manager, Spark, Make Up
awesome and inspiring to see you producing such nice stuff without 3 dozen ppl at the video village (im trynna keep some of the scenes in my first feature p bare bones). hell yeah. you must have a great team
- The aim is to have 100% new material for Showreel 2016. Max creativity required.
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It just used the Fine Detail picture style I was using for stills, so basically had a USM ("Un-Sharp Mask", which sharpens the image) applied to it. I was only interested in moire/aliasing so didn't bother with anything else (well, sensible shutter speed). If you actually wanted to shoot movies with it you'd use a different profile...
This one is hand-held and with the Neutral Picture Style (91MB, untweaked Picture Style - so can be better, note my total video shooting with the camera is these moire tests)...
https://vimeo.com/136118235(Oh and remember the video shown on Vimeo is 720p and you need to download the 1080p version.)
It still completely destroys my GH3 and GH4 for moire/aliasing when shooting 1080p... please note this was my entire point. I am very impressed over this single item though. Bonus points for anyone else shooting this scene with their camera-of-choice!!!
BTW here's the maximum amount of stuff you can have super-imposed on the screen. You can turn much of it off, pretty much item by item. The settings are as per the video except it had a different picture style - Fine Detail here - and it was shot at f10, which you can probably see was needed from the histograms...
(You can also optionally clean the screen, I recommend Spontex micro-fibre cloths.)
what tha heck!!!uhmmm wowww.... tbh i was a little shocked when i opened that 1080p file
i need to see more video from this camera
thanks for bringing this up dr_jon...!!!!!!!!!
heres to ya
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the a7r is kinda half baked for video....... and i think thats part of the reason a lot of ppl were surprised at how aggressively video forward the a7rii is~!
i just sold my 7d for an rx10m2, and let me tell you, in terms of video it is a HUGE upgrade for many reasons. i mention it bc of the way you described what you need to shoot; there could be a lot of benefits there. its super easy to use handheld due to its stabilization, and rolling shutter weirdness is absolutely minimal compared to, say, the a7s. just a thought, might be worth looking into idk
whats lacking in comparison is the sensor size... but for me the rx10m2 is destined to compliment a full frame a7sii......which doesnt exist yet lol. how shallow do you need your dof?
speaking of the imaginary a7sii.... i dunno how long you feel comfortable waiting before pulling the trigger on this, but when the a7sii comes out the used price of an a7s may well be in your price range... but then again i dont know exactly what your price range is
what are we talkin here.... $1500 or so? less?tbh id avoid the a7r entirely for video. moire/aliasing is one drawback as ebrahim pointed out; besides, youve just got way better options as ppl have mentioned. the gh4 as andrew suggested, a d750 if you can afford it as therenaissanceman said, idk theres more..... and when youre buying used theres definitely some deals out there if you hunt them down~!
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While waiting for Andrew's full review on the RX10m2, can anyone post a set of 'camera video settings' for shooting the best SLOG optimized for grading quality? I've not seen many, if any, posts from knowledgable videographers on how to set up this camera. I know most of the action is over on the A7S and A7RII side of the house, but the output of the RX10m2 looks pretty good as a solid B cam. Or even an A-cam in the right run and gun situations. But I am new to shooting LOG and getting the most from the format on a tiny cam like this. Any suggestions? Andrew: will your review cover how to get the most from this camera as in specific settings you recommend?
Thanks for any help on this.
whatsup misterwiggles!
since the a7s came out last year i have spent way too much time reading about slog2 and being intimidated by it... because it turns out i didnt need to be...! its p easy to deal with as long as you have some crucial prior knowledge (lol). so in that spirit heres a few Quick Start Tips
• the slog2 output of the rx10m2 is very similar (perhaps virtually identical) to the a7s in terms of dynamic range and how it handles color –– so all that info is totally relevant and theres a ton of it out there~!
• slog2 has a base iso on these cameras which is your only option: the a7s base is 3200 and the rx10m2 is 800. as you may know the rx10m2 has a built in nd, so that can be handy, but i dont think that its variable in any way, its either "on" or "off". anyway, this base iso thing is something to be aware of: you cant just dial down to iso 200 like with the other picture profiles
• as far as color goes, avoiding sgamut entirely may be a good idea. i used the "pro" color settings posted on the previous page as a starting point, and decided to dial down the saturation a tad, the yellow even more, and the magenta just a bit. this has easily produced naturalistic color which doesnt require a lut to make it look halfway normal –– just some curves and saturation to taste. what you want to do with the settings in PP7 (slog2) is up to you of course and depends on the aesthetic of your project~!
• slog2 needs to be overexposed on these cameras –– 2-3 stops depending on who you want to listen to –– otherwise its a noisy hot mess. ive gotten great results throughout that range
ok!!!! i am not nearly as smart as most of the posters on this board but like i said it took way too much of my life to gather this information so i hope that helps a bit
other posters PUHLEASE correct me if i am wrong in any of this or something should be added or something!!!
Taking the plunge!
Can't turn down the high frame rates in a small body with no fuss for (relatively) few pounds.
This should be fun
its SO fun youre gonna love it. tbh idk if ive had this much fun shooting since i got my first camera
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Didn't manage to pull it off. The settings are pretty confusing, though, so it may be possible.
lol agree ?
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Haha amazing shot.
omg thank u andrew!!
the only reason i could pick up an rx10m2 and start shooting slog2 for the first time with some success is because of this website. i have been reading since the gh2 days and eoshd is an invaluable resource, and moreover my favorite one
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wow! what vibrant color. great work
the clips match beautifully
i didnt know that cranking up the saturation that high with slog2 was an option! good to know
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(at a shooting ratio of 15:1)
you saw this, yes?
Multiply that by 3 for triple backup
zach: you need to find a way to get your data off your cards and back them up asap in triplicate on set
when you get a shot that works, on set, that memory card is like a f------ piece of gold. you need to back that sumbitch up; not just so that you can reuse your storage, thats an added benefit. you need the security of knowing that your precious shots arent going to disappear at the literal push of a button
also, i was not being sarcastic about stone cold steve austin; i love wrestling. and, to answer my own question, i think that, yes, austin will return at wrestlemania 32, its his last best opportunity. that and hes lost about 35lbs recently
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The 120 fps is unrivaled in its price range, a lot better than the NX1 even.
I agree.
Ive been busy and have only just begun my tests with the camera but i can say with confidence that the 120fps is legitimately sharp at 1080p as others have mentioned. ive only shot 100mbs so far. gradability (is that a word? lol) has exceeded my expectations
also the dynamic range slog2 is capable of when exposed properly is astounding with this camera, and using it at 120fps makes me feel like this lil guy cost a lot more than $1300
most of all its fun
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what a coincidence: that very same alexa lut in premiere is doin some magic on my slog2 rx10ii footage shot w a modified version of kholi's pro color settings. i just randomly tried it playing around with lumetri. im looking for a baseline of pleasing, naturalistic color and what i described is working really well
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thanks for sharing this Zach (Ashcraft!).
you kno whats so weird....... MY name is Zach my middle name is Kaylee???
id love to hear and see more about your experiences with the camera
youre a talented guy and ive learned a lot from your posts and i enjoy seeing your work
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Nvm, all that counts is that you're enjoying using the camera.
Thats so nice thank you!!!! Im lovin this lil cam
ive barely had a chance to use it, just got it the other day, but my first experience shooting with it (or any sony mirrorless for that matter) was great insofar as i found it intuitive enough to use without knowing how it worked~! it came late in the day and the sun was setting so i just wanted to get something on a memory card before dark
when i took a look at what was literally the first clip i [accidentally lol] shot on my mac i was surprised and delighted –– a heck of a difference from my experience with so many lousy video tools over the years; so that makes me real happy
half the reason i got this camera was to (frugally) finally get some first hand experience with the fabled and controversial slog2. i will not derail this thread with slog2 grading discussion but so far so good???
Sony RX10 M2 - first part of my review and a mini-comparison with the A7S and Canon 1D C
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omg thats awesome im so glad to hear that!!!!!!
the color science/settings of this camera have already made me question my sanity more than once lol, happy to see that youre doin well
thanks for sharing the details of your settings. also good to know about resolve... im looking forward to getting deeper into it when i get some more ram for my imac